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2011-02-03 21:30:01 ~MikkelPaulson Zblewski Nuitari rintaran: roll call
2011-02-03 21:30:12 +rintaran Here
2011-02-03 21:30:17 +Zblewski here
2011-02-03 21:30:43 +rintaran Is there an agenda for this evening, or are we just bouncing ideas off a wall?
2011-02-03 21:31:14 ~MikkelPaulson actually there is
2011-02-03 21:31:21 ~MikkelPaulson I just haven't written it down
2011-02-03 21:31:22 ~MikkelPaulson heh
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2011-02-03 21:32:11 ~MikkelPaulson https://www.pirateparty.ca/forum/index.php?topic=754.0
2011-02-03 21:32:19 ~MikkelPaulson now there is :)
2011-02-03 21:32:36 ~MikkelPaulson of course, if there's anything extra you'd like to raise, you're quite welcome
2011-02-03 21:32:54 +Nuitari Hi
2011-02-03 21:34:02 ~MikkelPaulson sweet, everybody's here
2011-02-03 21:34:10 ~MikkelPaulson in that case, I'll call the meeting to order
2011-02-03 21:34:26 ~MikkelPaulson first bit: rintaran will be joining us for the meeting tonight
2011-02-03 21:34:35 ~MikkelPaulson or rather, he will be participating; he's always here
2011-02-03 21:34:45 ~MikkelPaulson TravisMcCrea has agreed to take transcript and minutes for this meeting
2011-02-03 21:35:14 ~MikkelPaulson so, welcome to the +v world :)
2011-02-03 21:35:16 +rintaran Excellent. Thank-you Travis.
2011-02-03 21:35:29 +rintaran Thanks Mikkel. Happy to have voice.
2011-02-03 21:35:44 ~MikkelPaulson I'm sure you'll do us proud
2011-02-03 21:36:01 ~MikkelPaulson so first (real) order of business tonight is the UBB issue
2011-02-03 21:36:17 ~MikkelPaulson specifically, our failure to issue a timely statement on the matter
2011-02-03 21:36:28 ~MikkelPaulson it's relevant to our platform, it was current, and it's almost gone
2011-02-03 21:36:53 ~MikkelPaulson I've gotten a lot of flak for our lack of response to this one
2011-02-03 21:36:55 +rintaran There's a demonstration on the hill tomorrow that I'll be attending.
2011-02-03 21:36:57 +Nuitari it will be back in about 60 days
2011-02-03 21:37:04 ~MikkelPaulson fair enough, I'm leader and the buck stops with me
2011-02-03 21:37:12 ~MikkelPaulson but I want to know what happened and how we can fix it
2011-02-03 21:37:17 ~MikkelPaulson Zblewski: this one's in your court
2011-02-03 21:37:48 +Nuitari we only are 3 on the pr mailling list, me you and Zblewski
2011-02-03 21:38:00 +Zblewski I've decided that I want take responsibility for this failure. "Real life" (quote-unquote) got a hold of me, and there is no way that I could over-ride that.
2011-02-03 21:38:01 +Nuitari we need to have more people apt to handle PR
2011-02-03 21:39:01 ~MikkelPaulson if I recall correctly, the first thing I asked when putting you in charge of PR was to build an effective committee to handle this sort of situation
2011-02-03 21:39:12 ~MikkelPaulson I can't fault you personally for being able to handle every situation that comes up
2011-02-03 21:39:17 ~MikkelPaulson *unable
2011-02-03 21:39:20 ~MikkelPaulson I'm the same
2011-02-03 21:39:20 +Zblewski I went completely off the radar for my own reasons, and neglected to find a suitable person to take on the case, I just had no time or energy to do it, and that is all in my court, as Mikkel said.
2011-02-03 21:39:35 ~MikkelPaulson but we need to do a better job of delegating the work that we can't do ourselves
2011-02-03 21:39:52 +rintaran I'm sorry, but aren't we the pirate party and not the pity party?
2011-02-03 21:40:09 ~MikkelPaulson sorry?
2011-02-03 21:40:12 +Zblewski People did step up when the first call went out, but since then, those people kind of disappeared.
2011-02-03 21:40:16 +rintaran Stop crying over what you could've done, but didn't do. Instead, do something now.
2011-02-03 21:40:38 ~MikkelPaulson the point is to figure out what should've happened and how it should've gone
2011-02-03 21:41:33 +rintaran Real life got in the way, there was no PR committee, only a single man, and it should've had something issued immediately upon the ruling.
2011-02-03 21:41:33 ~MikkelPaulson so Zblewski, your #1 priority right now is to follow up with the volunteers we've had to deal with PR
2011-02-03 21:41:45 +Nuitari rintaran: there is some value in analyzing how it went wrong and acting on fixing it
2011-02-03 21:41:55 ~MikkelPaulson Ayes has expressed plenty of interest in PR, cyberanger also just volunteered
2011-02-03 21:42:01 ~MikkelPaulson maybe they'll work out and maybe they won't
2011-02-03 21:42:20 ~MikkelPaulson but it's important that we establish that structure now so that if our PR director is otherwise engaged the work still gets done
2011-02-03 21:42:32 +rintaran True, there is. But repeatedly blaming yourselves/ourselves is only going to decrease what little morale ya'll have and prevent anything from getting done in the future.
2011-02-03 21:42:44 cyberanger disclaimer, I'm not canidan, at the moment, grew up a few kilometers south for that
2011-02-03 21:42:44 -- #council: You need voice (+v) (#council)
2011-02-03 21:42:47 +Nuitari we also need to know when anyone in PR is too busy to do the work
2011-02-03 21:43:03 ~MikkelPaulson I have no interest in dishing out blame, sorry if it sounds like I am
2011-02-03 21:43:26 +rintaran Bingo. Biggest problem with all "teams" is usually communication. And that's where the issue truly lies within the PPCA as well.
2011-02-03 21:43:35 +Zblewski Ayes did an amazing job, I'm looking forward to hearing from cyberanger, if he could email pr@ with what background he can, it would be great, so I can get him started
2011-02-03 21:43:36 ~MikkelPaulson definitely
2011-02-03 21:43:52 ~MikkelPaulson with the weekly Federal Council meetings I think we've come a long way
2011-02-03 21:44:16 ~MikkelPaulson I think a PR meeting once or twice a week might be a good idea to keep everyone on the same page
2011-02-03 21:44:27 +rintaran I think maybe it's time to work out a good communication protocol for internal and external communications. One that keeps members on the ball, and those on committees on tab regularly.
2011-02-03 21:44:29 ~MikkelPaulson it's easy to ignore an email sent to a mailing list and let someone else handle it
2011-02-03 21:44:39 ~MikkelPaulson any suggestions?
2011-02-03 21:44:55 +Zblewski Would be great
2011-02-03 21:44:59 +Zblewski to have PR meetings
2011-02-03 21:45:07 +Zblewski if there were more PR people
2011-02-03 21:45:11 ~MikkelPaulson indeed
2011-02-03 21:45:17 ~MikkelPaulson well, there are volunteers aplenty
2011-02-03 21:45:33 ~MikkelPaulson just have to follow up with them
2011-02-03 21:45:40 +Zblewski Like I said, the people that have initiative and long-term commitment are few
2011-02-03 21:45:57 +rintaran There's a forum topic where people listed their strengths. Track down everyone that mentioned writing or public speaking and give them a call.
2011-02-03 21:46:00 ~MikkelPaulson so take advantage of the people with short-term initiative
2011-02-03 21:46:19 +Zblewski those that did step up, nearly all of them, disappeared after two emails
2011-02-03 21:46:22 +rintaran Worst they can say is, they aren't interested.
2011-02-03 21:46:46 +rintaran What was in those two e-mails that drove them off?
2011-02-03 21:46:53 ~MikkelPaulson I no longer have any particular reservations about putting Ayes on the committee; he's well-spoken and writes a decent press release
2011-02-03 21:47:12 ~MikkelPaulson remains to be seen how he'll work out of course, but I think he deserves a shot
2011-02-03 21:48:23 +Zblewski rintaran: Just, "I hope you do a fine job, here are some topics, research them, report back to me when you feel you are ready to work on those issues"
2011-02-03 21:48:48 ~MikkelPaulson research is awesome, but I think we're more in need of frontline PR people
2011-02-03 21:48:57 +rintaran Ah. I see the issue.
2011-02-03 21:48:58 ~MikkelPaulson if there's someone who's only interested in research they're welcome to it
2011-02-03 21:49:18 +Zblewski Mikkel, did Sona Ghosh ever help you when I refered you to her?
2011-02-03 21:49:24 +rintaran Having worked as a manager, one of the first things I learned was to be specific and assign a series of clear, small tasks instead of one large one.
2011-02-03 21:49:34 ~MikkelPaulson but given the choice, for now we just need to make sure that every media request and every press release is followed up on on the same day
2011-02-03 21:49:43 ~MikkelPaulson Zblewski: haven't heard from her, no
2011-02-03 21:49:46 ~MikkelPaulson but I haven't followed up
2011-02-03 21:50:20 ~MikkelPaulson speaking of fixing what's broke, I've been thinking about portfolios to assign once we have a full slate
2011-02-03 21:50:26 +rintaran Big tasks overwhelm people, even if they can see their importance. Small tasks seem easy, so popping off a few works nicely.
2011-02-03 21:50:50 ~MikkelPaulson my proposals (to be discussed and assigned post-election obviously): PR, tech/agent, volunteer coordinator, and international liaison
2011-02-03 21:51:11 ~MikkelPaulson hopefully the volunteer coordinator will be able to help whip the PR committee into shape and recruit new volunteers for it
2011-02-03 21:51:58 +rintaran What policies and protocols do you currently have in place for PR?
2011-02-03 21:52:00 +Zblewski I find I've not been able to fill those specific tasks to the level that I've needed to
2011-02-03 21:52:17 +Zblewski rintaran, I'll be frank. None.
2011-02-03 21:52:29 +rintaran I suspected that might be the case.
2011-02-03 21:52:40 ~MikkelPaulson well, PR is by far the most important of our fields, so just tell us how we can help
2011-02-03 21:53:02 ~MikkelPaulson no need to take on the monumental task on your own, that's how we got into this mess
2011-02-03 21:53:04 +rintaran Remember the CQG I came up with? We need a PRQG to help guide PR committe members.
2011-02-03 21:53:13 +Nuitari cqg?
2011-02-03 21:53:21 +rintaran One the groundwork is done, anyone can follow it.
2011-02-03 21:53:21 ~MikkelPaulson clerk quality guide
2011-02-03 21:53:52 +rintaran Maybe not a quality guide, but a basic training brochure.
2011-02-03 21:54:03 +Nuitari that I can agree with
2011-02-03 21:54:11 ~MikkelPaulson and readily-available material, multiple points of contact
2011-02-03 21:54:14 +rintaran The best volunteer is one with a specific job description, trained for the task.
2011-02-03 21:54:30 +rintaran A PR training brochure could do wonders.
2011-02-03 21:54:55 ~MikkelPaulson we all deserve the opportunity to take a break (or get swamped with other work) from time to time, but the way the party is currently running that's not an option
2011-02-03 21:54:58 ~MikkelPaulson we have to be on 24/7
2011-02-03 21:55:05 +rintaran It would also layout media-proper formatting, including the old-fashioned but still used -30- at the end of the release followed by summary of organization
2011-02-03 21:55:38 +Zblewski Ayes incorperated that in last release
2011-02-03 21:55:54 ~MikkelPaulson we have a standard last paragraph we use as well
2011-02-03 21:55:58 +Zblewski I'm not formally trained in press release syntax
2011-02-03 21:56:01 ~MikkelPaulson his was a bit more concise
2011-02-03 21:56:09 +rintaran Excellent. It's a good start.
2011-02-03 21:56:47 ~MikkelPaulson an article I read recently suggested that due to the fast turnaround in online news reporting, press releases should be written in article-like format so that they can just be copied verbatim onto a news site with no harm done
2011-02-03 21:56:52 +rintaran We need to do less work in our heads, and more on the digital paper. It keeps people on the same page and working toward our defined goals.
2011-02-03 21:57:01 ~MikkelPaulson aside of course from a ridiculously one-sided perspective, but that's not uncommon anyway
2011-02-03 21:57:13 ~MikkelPaulson PiratePad
2011-02-03 21:57:46 +rintaran PiratePad is a nice tool for those with access to it. But your standard guide, I'd put in locked-down Wiki files.
2011-02-03 21:57:54 ~MikkelPaulson yeah
2011-02-03 21:57:58 ~MikkelPaulson of course
2011-02-03 21:58:03 ~MikkelPaulson I mean with writing press releases and such
2011-02-03 21:58:53 ~MikkelPaulson Zblewski: will you have time to follow up with p2pnet's offer of a guest column in the near future?
2011-02-03 22:00:00 +Zblewski Within 2 weeks
2011-02-03 22:00:13 ~MikkelPaulson okay
2011-02-03 22:00:24 ~MikkelPaulson just keep the communication open
2011-02-03 22:00:30 +rintaran Is it a regular column, or just a one-off?
2011-02-03 22:00:33 ~MikkelPaulson "I can't right now" is an acceptable reply
2011-02-03 22:00:41 ~MikkelPaulson one-off
2011-02-03 22:01:12 +rintaran I see. Op piece or interview?
2011-02-03 22:01:19 +Zblewski Op-piece
2011-02-03 22:01:25 +rintaran Nice.
2011-02-03 22:02:43 +rintaran Interviews are too directed and time-sensitive. As an op-piece, you can delay it a little without too much hassel. Just be careful not to be too dated on your op-piece. It has to be current for that time.
2011-02-03 22:03:05 ~MikkelPaulson if we do hit a February election, it'll be perfect timing
2011-02-03 22:03:27 +Zblewski Nice segue into the next topic
2011-02-03 22:03:31 ~MikkelPaulson indeed :)
2011-02-03 22:03:41 +rintaran Y'know, I just realized I have a job description template for volunteers. That could be useful in getting people to apply for specific volunteer positions we need filled. It'd help get us the right people in the right jobs.
2011-02-03 22:03:42 ~MikkelPaulson anything else to discuss on PR before we move on?
2011-02-03 22:03:52 ~MikkelPaulson or do you have good direction?
2011-02-03 22:04:21 +Zblewski I guess so.
2011-02-03 22:04:29 +rintaran That's a no.
2011-02-03 22:04:35 ~MikkelPaulson sounds like it to me
2011-02-03 22:04:52 +rintaran What can we take off your shoulders to make it clearer mate?
2011-02-03 22:04:54 +Zblewski rintaran: I'll see if I can forward the original description
2011-02-03 22:05:41 +rintaran Sure thing. I'll help hammer it out into something a little clearer.
2011-02-03 22:06:11 +rintaran We can utilize the Wiki to form a list of volunteer positions and just refer people to the postings as we need people to fill them.
2011-02-03 22:06:15 +Zblewski If Anything comes up in the next week, I'll need a release-writer for sure. cyberanger has PM'd me
2011-02-03 22:06:22 +rintaran Makes it especially useful when we're starting to run the election.
2011-02-03 22:06:48 ~MikkelPaulson okay
2011-02-03 22:06:53 ~MikkelPaulson anything you need right now?
2011-02-03 22:07:46 +rintaran Other than the short blurb on the "volunteer" topic, do we have any other volunteer jobs we need filled?
2011-02-03 22:07:55 +Zblewski A vacation somewhere warm, and likely Ayes so that I can deflect emails to him that I can't take
2011-02-03 22:08:08 +rintaran lol
2011-02-03 22:08:26 ~MikkelPaulson can't do the vacation thing I'm afraid, but Ayes should be pretty easy
2011-02-03 22:08:30 +rintaran You'd have to fly by catapault, and I think the US border patrol might try to shoot you down en-route...
2011-02-03 22:08:55 ~MikkelPaulson that'd have to be a hell of a catapult
2011-02-03 22:09:11 +Zblewski I at least have Garlic potatoes and plenty of sauce to keep me sane whilst working on school stuff
2011-02-03 22:09:14 +rintaran It's BS-powered.
2011-02-03 22:09:37 +rintaran Just need the PM to say two words and it'll rocket someone to Florida easy.
2011-02-03 22:09:51 ~MikkelPaulson anyway, I'm putting the full resources of the party, myself included, at your disposal until we get the PR situation sorted out
2011-02-03 22:09:52 ~MikkelPaulson use me
2011-02-03 22:10:43 +rintaran I'll get some proper volunteer job descriptions done up and sent to you by Monday. You give me the nod, and I'll get them posted to the site. Hopefully a few of the right kind of people will step forward.
2011-02-03 22:10:57 ~MikkelPaulson we do have committee descriptions already
2011-02-03 22:11:01 +rintaran It'll work better when they know exactly what's expected. We'll get you help.
2011-02-03 22:11:37 +rintaran You have general descriptions. They aren't very specific. Too vague, and it's why the committees aren't going too far in most topics.
2011-02-03 22:12:13 ~MikkelPaulson yeah
2011-02-03 22:12:29 ~MikkelPaulson and we need someone to follow up with every member of every committee
2011-02-03 22:12:34 ~MikkelPaulson a job for the volunteer coordinator
2011-02-03 22:13:08 +rintaran Yup.
2011-02-03 22:13:36 +rintaran Can you guess what my favourite topic is this semester in my program? HR & Volunteer Management.
2011-02-03 22:13:58 ~MikkelPaulson heh
2011-02-03 22:14:08 ~MikkelPaulson yeah, I think you'd be a good guy for the position if you're elected
2011-02-03 22:14:27 ~MikkelPaulson trying to avoid drawing up lists of candidates
2011-02-03 22:14:35 ~MikkelPaulson *directors and responsibilities
2011-02-03 22:14:47 ~MikkelPaulson until the election is completed and the portfolios finalized
2011-02-03 22:15:22 +rintaran We've a lot of good candidates this round. Whoever takes that portfolio is going to have to be very organized and have a forbidden love affair with Excel or its open-source equivalent.
2011-02-03 22:15:40 ~MikkelPaulson OO *shudder*
2011-02-03 22:16:22 +rintaran As I said, I'll e-mail a packet of job descriptions based upon the committees general description to you by Monday. It'll give a head start.
2011-02-03 22:16:23 ~MikkelPaulson okay
2011-02-03 22:16:29 ~MikkelPaulson sounds good
2011-02-03 22:16:43 ~MikkelPaulson let's talk by-election before we go federal
2011-02-03 22:16:56 ~MikkelPaulson Nuitari: scshunt and I have decided that phone voting won't be necessary, so you're off the hook
2011-02-03 22:17:16 +Nuitari good
2011-02-03 22:17:20 +rintaran Old-tech, rarely used?
2011-02-03 22:17:27 ~MikkelPaulson yeah
2011-02-03 22:17:31 +Nuitari and I've been getting alerts saying that the db changed according to the webvoting?
2011-02-03 22:17:41 ~MikkelPaulson and trying to implement STV by phone would be a challenge
2011-02-03 22:17:49 ~MikkelPaulson I haven't touched the database
2011-02-03 22:17:54 ~MikkelPaulson oh, should close web voting though
2011-02-03 22:18:03 ~MikkelPaulson we need to automate this, I suck at getting the timings right
2011-02-03 22:18:20 ~MikkelPaulson or rather we need to make it easy enough that the clerk can take it over ;)
2011-02-03 22:18:56 +rintaran That would be useful.
2011-02-03 22:19:00 ~MikkelPaulson actually I added a key field to the votes table, but it's not required so it shouldn't affect your phone system
2011-02-03 22:19:08 +rintaran Making it easier to navigate would be a dream too.
2011-02-03 22:19:25 ~MikkelPaulson Stenobot is now feature-complete on the IRC end, so I'm going to start working on the AJAX interface when I have the chance
2011-02-03 22:19:34 +Nuitari since we only have 2 positions, why not ask who is the first one and who is the second one
2011-02-03 22:19:58 ~MikkelPaulson STV allows as many votes as there are candidates
2011-02-03 22:20:35 ~MikkelPaulson you should know better than most how much of a gong show FPTP is
2011-02-03 22:21:18 +Nuitari I know
2011-02-03 22:21:30 +Nuitari db_query(REPLACE INTO votes VALUES (0, 55, 3059,'','y',0))
2011-02-03 22:21:37 +Nuitari what's wrong with that ?
2011-02-03 22:22:31 ~MikkelPaulson you should always name your SQL fields in queries
2011-02-03 22:22:57 +Nuitari missing key I guess
2011-02-03 22:22:57 ~MikkelPaulson REPLACE INTO votes (pid, vid, uid, username, vote, public) VALUES (…)
2011-02-03 22:23:14 ~MikkelPaulson yeah, you can just add ,'' to the list
2011-02-03 22:23:20 ~MikkelPaulson but best practices and all of that
2011-02-03 22:23:41 ~MikkelPaulson anyway, not really the place for a technical discussion
2011-02-03 22:23:55 +rintaran I believe the topic was by-election.
2011-02-03 22:23:59 ~MikkelPaulson the point is that afaik nothing extra should be required of you for the election
2011-02-03 22:24:18 ~MikkelPaulson of course scshunt is the final judge of that and is welcome to ask for assistance should he need it
2011-02-03 22:24:20 +Nuitari ok
2011-02-03 22:24:38 ~MikkelPaulson final point: federal election
2011-02-03 22:24:53 ~MikkelPaulson it's sounding more and more like we're facing a February (maaaybe March) election
2011-02-03 22:25:07 ~MikkelPaulson we're not ready
2011-02-03 22:25:18 ~MikkelPaulson that needs to happen
2011-02-03 22:25:19 ~MikkelPaulson discuss
2011-02-03 22:25:20 +Zblewski We can't have a february election, it's traditionally five weeks
2011-02-03 22:25:27 +Nuitari well
2011-02-03 22:25:29 +rintaran As I understand our by-laws, if Jeff Coleman wishes to run in the federal election, he needs to re-run to be a candidate. There are three other "elected" candidates that we probably want to check with as well.
2011-02-03 22:25:46 ~MikkelPaulson the writ will drop in February
2011-02-03 22:25:48 +rintaran Though I believe one is you Mikkel. :
2011-02-03 22:25:49 +rintaran :P
2011-02-03 22:25:54 +Nuitari I'd waive that requirement, if Jeff wants to run again he's more then welcome to do it
2011-02-03 22:26:04 ~MikkelPaulson there is no such requirement now
2011-02-03 22:26:08 +Nuitari good
2011-02-03 22:26:11 +Nuitari also
2011-02-03 22:26:16 ~MikkelPaulson we can legally appoint him with the new constitutional amendment
2011-02-03 22:26:17 +Zblewski The other candidates need to be notified
2011-02-03 22:26:19 ~MikkelPaulson as soon as the writ drops
2011-02-03 22:26:26 +Nuitari note that the CRTC said that 60 days is when UBB will be reconsidered
2011-02-03 22:26:39 ~MikkelPaulson it'll be an election issue for sure
2011-02-03 22:26:46 +Nuitari this gives ample of time for the issue to go away during an election and to have the election on another issue then UBB
2011-02-03 22:26:53 +rintaran We can use the UBB as a major leaping point for campaigns where they're run.
2011-02-03 22:26:53 ~MikkelPaulson and for the third time bill C-32 will die on the order paper
2011-02-03 22:28:02 +Nuitari I think we will see an election before the end of march
2011-02-03 22:28:07 +rintaran With volunteer positions laid out, we can begin recruiting in those regards. We need to hammer out a solid platform and some collateral, video, and interactive materials swiftly.
2011-02-03 22:28:10 ~MikkelPaulson we've been discussing purchasing a couple of 160 GB hard drives ($30 each), loading them up with FOSS material, and shipping them off to Clement and the CRTC as a demonstration of the cost-effectiveness of UBB
2011-02-03 22:28:18 ~MikkelPaulson we can then issue a nice press release on the subject
2011-02-03 22:28:40 +Zblewski Yes.
2011-02-03 22:29:17 +rintaran You can still get drives that small?
2011-02-03 22:29:25 ~MikkelPaulson 2.5"
2011-02-03 22:29:46 ~MikkelPaulson http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822242006
2011-02-03 22:30:08 ~MikkelPaulson cost to us would be ~$50 for 160 GB
2011-02-03 22:30:19 ~MikkelPaulson cost with Bell's UBB pricing would be $320
2011-02-03 22:30:57 +rintaran It'd be a pretty effective message. If I may make a suggestion though?
2011-02-03 22:31:04 ~MikkelPaulson that's what you're here for
2011-02-03 22:31:28 +rintaran Don't just send one to Clement. Send it with the media release to several major news agencies.
2011-02-03 22:31:54 +rintaran Even better if we throw a sticker on the outside.
2011-02-03 22:32:05 ~MikkelPaulson I don't know that they'd accept the inconvenience
2011-02-03 22:32:10 ~MikkelPaulson they'd probably rather just get a press release
2011-02-03 22:32:50 +rintaran Another piece of paper across their desk, they tend to ignore. Send them a drive, they look on in curiosity. We can use that.
2011-02-03 22:33:13 ~MikkelPaulson maybe
2011-02-03 22:33:16 ~MikkelPaulson what do you guys think?
2011-02-03 22:33:17 +Nuitari why not USB keys ?
2011-02-03 22:33:29 ~MikkelPaulson price per GB is much higher
2011-02-03 22:33:30 +Nuitari would be easier for most of them to access it
2011-02-03 22:33:45 ~MikkelPaulson the bigger we can push that price difference the better
2011-02-03 22:34:01 +rintaran Big numbers, like big actions impress.
2011-02-03 22:34:02 ~MikkelPaulson the drive I linked is a bus-powered 2.5", should be just as easy as a USB key
2011-02-03 22:34:31 ~MikkelPaulson the question is how much we want to sink into this little demonstration
2011-02-03 22:35:00 ~MikkelPaulson especially with an election on the horizon
2011-02-03 22:35:16 ~MikkelPaulson and by the time the drives are delivered to us and then shipped to the media, the story will likely have blown over
2011-02-03 22:36:32 +rintaran Shipping time is the death of us on this initiative I fear.
2011-02-03 22:36:47 ~MikkelPaulson yeah
2011-02-03 22:36:57 ~MikkelPaulson maybe we should get this all lined up in case it breaks again?
2011-02-03 22:37:09 +rintaran It would pretty much have to be in Clement's & the media's hands by Wednesday for it to have any buzz.
2011-02-03 22:37:09 ~MikkelPaulson we know the CRTC is going to "review" the decision and then say the same thing in a month
2011-02-03 22:37:27 +rintaran We could get it and use it as a part of our campaigning...
2011-02-03 22:38:14 +rintaran 60 days is when the issue is revisited, and within that time we'll hit an election. We could use UBB and consumer outrage, and try to push that issue back into the spotlight.
2011-02-03 22:38:14 ~MikkelPaulson if it actually goes into effect we could take it to the next level, charge $100 for filling a 160 GB drive with whatever content the customer links to
2011-02-03 22:38:23 ~MikkelPaulson now THAT would be a strong message
2011-02-03 22:38:38 ~MikkelPaulson yeah
2011-02-03 22:38:43 ~MikkelPaulson let's get it set up and sit on it for a bit
2011-02-03 22:38:57 ~MikkelPaulson it's going to rear its ugly head again and again
2011-02-03 22:39:10 ~MikkelPaulson and if we can overnight it as soon as the story breaks, fantastic
2011-02-03 22:39:25 +rintaran Which means we need to order the drives.
2011-02-03 22:39:47 +rintaran Get them in-stock at PPCA HQ... Whichever basement that may be this week.
2011-02-03 22:39:57 +Nuitari great
2011-02-03 22:40:10 +Nuitari I wish I could download using the work connection :/
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2011-02-03 22:40:32 ~MikkelPaulson no rush
2011-02-03 22:40:51 ~MikkelPaulson unfortunately my cap is 60 GB so it would take me a while to fill such a drive
2011-02-03 22:40:53 +Nuitari how many drives do we need?
2011-02-03 22:40:59 +Nuitari no cap, yet
2011-02-03 22:41:09 +Nuitari despite Bell repeated "enticing" offers
2011-02-03 22:41:16 ~MikkelPaulson well, it's Telus, and apparently they don't actually enforce their caps
2011-02-03 22:41:31 ~MikkelPaulson but they'd still complain if I hit 3x my actual bandwidth cap
2011-02-03 22:41:39 +Nuitari bleh
2011-02-03 22:41:51 ~MikkelPaulson would take me a while to download that much anyway
2011-02-03 22:41:58 +rintaran I've got 65 GB cap here... I needed to get online, and Bell was the only one that would come to setup on a Saturday.
2011-02-03 22:42:19 ~MikkelPaulson shoulda just spent the weekend at Bridgehead
2011-02-03 22:42:46 +rintaran Heh. I was a chicken with my head cut-off those first two weeks back in the capitol.
2011-02-03 22:42:54 ~MikkelPaulson no doubt
2011-02-03 22:43:15 +rintaran Anyhow, Federal Election strategy.
2011-02-03 22:43:18 +Nuitari should have gotten dialup while waiting
2011-02-03 22:43:23 ~MikkelPaulson indeed
2011-02-03 22:43:32 +rintaran We need to work on a marketing plan.
2011-02-03 22:43:44 ~MikkelPaulson follow up with our candidates
2011-02-03 22:43:48 ~MikkelPaulson hope Jake is still planning to run
2011-02-03 22:43:57 +Nuitari is Ayes interested in running?
2011-02-03 22:44:19 +rintaran What about Steve?
2011-02-03 22:44:22 ~MikkelPaulson he was at one point, but I don't think he wants to be candidate and director
2011-02-03 22:44:27 ~MikkelPaulson Steve?
2011-02-03 22:44:30 ~MikkelPaulson Henderson?
2011-02-03 22:44:42 +rintaran Yeah. Did he have interest?
2011-02-03 22:45:04 +rintaran Or was it more of a down the line type thing?
2011-02-03 22:45:07 ~MikkelPaulson I asked each of the candidates if they wanted to run
2011-02-03 22:45:18 ~MikkelPaulson Ayes: If I am a member of the federal council by then, I will definitely not run. If I am not, I may consider running in Port Moody—Westwood—Port Coquitlam. Realistically, I will not. But I'd like to, because that is where James Moore holds his seat, and that guy introduced Bill C-32. As a member of the council, I would push to have someone run against him, and I would do all I could to support that campaign.
2011-02-03 22:45:38 ~MikkelPaulson Steve's response was just "no"
2011-02-03 22:45:50 +rintaran Ah. Too bad.
2011-02-03 22:45:59 +Zblewski What about Craig Nobbs?
2011-02-03 22:46:09 +Zblewski We need to wake him up
2011-02-03 22:46:12 ~MikkelPaulson indeed
2011-02-03 22:46:28 +Zblewski And hope he has a grand by now
2011-02-03 22:46:30 ~MikkelPaulson I'll put out another Twitter/Facebook call for candidates
2011-02-03 22:46:40 ~MikkelPaulson maybe we can rustle up a few more now that the restrictions are looser
2011-02-03 22:47:18 +Zblewski The cash is the only thing keeping me from running ;_;
2011-02-03 22:47:46 +rintaran I'd spot ya if I didn't just receive a $7k repair bill.
2011-02-03 22:47:48 ~MikkelPaulson see if you can borrow it from someone
2011-02-03 22:47:54 ~MikkelPaulson it doesn't count as an election expense
2011-02-03 22:48:56 +Nuitari we are 60$ short of a 3000$ warchest
2011-02-03 22:49:22 ~MikkelPaulson cool
2011-02-03 22:49:24 +rintaran How many candidates do we want to field this round? I'd love to aim for 5 if we can get'm.
2011-02-03 22:49:31 ~MikkelPaulson as many as possible
2011-02-03 22:49:52 ~MikkelPaulson when asked by the media I've been saying a dozen depending on when the writ drops
2011-02-03 22:49:55 +rintaran Yeah, pick a number. As many as possible equals 1
2011-02-03 22:50:04 ~MikkelPaulson but obviously that's not happening
2011-02-03 22:50:23 ~MikkelPaulson I think 5 or 6 would be good
2011-02-03 22:50:34 ~MikkelPaulson we need to get the Federal Council more involved in individual campaignns
2011-02-03 22:50:45 +rintaran Revise it to a half-dozen next time they ask. Then it seems more realistic and if you're a couple short, it's close enough.
2011-02-03 22:50:46 ~MikkelPaulson it's lucky that Jeff had a great work ethic or his campaign would've gone nowhere
2011-02-03 22:50:51 ~MikkelPaulson yeah
2011-02-03 22:51:20 +rintaran If we keep saying a dozen and only field 4, we look like fools. We're trying to ditch that image.
2011-02-03 22:51:29 +Nuitari wish I could run ;(
2011-02-03 22:51:34 ~MikkelPaulson the United Party said 308 :D
2011-02-03 22:51:41 +Zblewski Fail
2011-02-03 22:52:17 +rintaran lol
2011-02-03 22:52:30 +rintaran Could be worse... Could claim to run more than there are ridings.
2011-02-03 22:52:36 ~MikkelPaulson haha
2011-02-03 22:52:48 ~MikkelPaulson the Rhinos have probably already done that
2011-02-03 22:52:51 +rintaran We're OT though.
2011-02-03 22:52:58 ~MikkelPaulson and declared that they have 35 million Canadian members
2011-02-03 22:53:21 ~MikkelPaulson indeed
2011-02-03 22:53:37 ~MikkelPaulson honestly I don't know what we're going to need to get this all in order
2011-02-03 22:53:45 ~MikkelPaulson business cards
2011-02-03 22:53:50 +rintaran It starts with a marketing plan.
2011-02-03 22:53:51 ~MikkelPaulson brochure/flyer/ad templates
2011-02-03 22:54:01 ~MikkelPaulson website templates
2011-02-03 22:54:07 ~MikkelPaulson I have mikkel.ca just waiting for content
2011-02-03 22:54:11 +Nuitari I never heard back on what gets printed where :/
2011-02-03 22:54:16 +rintaran From the marketing plan, you determine your collateral needs, budget, expenses, asset allocation, logists, etc.
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2011-02-03 22:54:29 ~MikkelPaulson rintaran: think you could handle something like that?
2011-02-03 22:54:35 +Zblewski Custom cards in Ottawa, general cards in Laval
2011-02-03 22:54:51 +Nuitari ok, have you ordered the custom cards?
2011-02-03 22:54:53 +Zblewski I was waiting on the results of the by-election
2011-02-03 22:54:55 +rintaran I can start putting a marketing plan together.
2011-02-03 22:55:11 +Zblewski I'll forward you the general template over the weekend
2011-02-03 22:55:16 +Zblewski those can be ordered now
2011-02-03 22:55:27 ~MikkelPaulson may as well order ours as well
2011-02-03 22:55:28 +rintaran I'll have a 10-page marketing brief completed by next FC meeting.
2011-02-03 22:55:37 ~MikkelPaulson as well as our candidates'
2011-02-03 22:56:02 +rintaran Confirm your candidates before ordering their cards.
2011-02-03 22:56:16 ~MikkelPaulson of course
2011-02-03 22:56:25 ~MikkelPaulson I know that Jeff is interested in running
2011-02-03 22:56:34 ~MikkelPaulson he asked me if I thought he should run for council or candidate again
2011-02-03 22:56:36 +rintaran That's why he didn't run for director, I know.
2011-02-03 22:56:37 ~MikkelPaulson I said candidate
2011-02-03 22:57:07 +rintaran We could use him on council, but I like having consistency on the campaign trail.
2011-02-03 22:57:15 +rintaran Look forward to shaking his hand someday.
2011-02-03 22:57:30 ~MikkelPaulson and I think he's better suited to candidacy
2011-02-03 22:57:38 ~MikkelPaulson he'd be a good director as well
2011-02-03 22:57:47 +rintaran Is he still going around meeting people in his riding?
2011-02-03 22:57:49 ~MikkelPaulson but his charisma and conviction would be wasted I think
2011-02-03 22:57:57 ~MikkelPaulson I don't know, but I think we should encourage him to do so
2011-02-03 22:58:05 ~MikkelPaulson my ideal is to knock on every door in the riding
2011-02-03 22:58:16 ~MikkelPaulson doing so during election time requires about 1000 doors per day though
2011-02-03 22:58:28 +rintaran Or have good conversations with enough for people to knock on doors for him.
2011-02-03 22:58:36 ~MikkelPaulson exactly
2011-02-03 22:58:51 +Zblewski My father is building that kind of rapport at the moment
2011-02-03 22:59:11 +Zblewski He's also a member. I don't know how interested in running he would be.
2011-02-03 22:59:22 ~MikkelPaulson of the PPCA?
2011-02-03 22:59:24 +Zblewski Yes
2011-02-03 22:59:25 +rintaran Always worth asking Mike.
2011-02-03 22:59:34 ~MikkelPaulson sweet
2011-02-03 22:59:44 +rintaran Worst case scenario, he says no right?
2011-02-03 22:59:45 ~MikkelPaulson he ran for municipal government in the last election didn't he?
2011-02-03 22:59:50 +Zblewski Yes
2011-02-03 23:00:01 ~MikkelPaulson always nice to have a seasoned pro onside
2011-02-03 23:00:03 +rintaran That sounds like a starting base to me.
2011-02-03 23:00:21 +Zblewski And he's been asked by two parties to run in the Provincials, decided not to go with either (Greens, Reform Ontario)
2011-02-03 23:00:52 +Zblewski But me and him have had this discussion before, he's open
2011-02-03 23:01:06 ~MikkelPaulson awesome
2011-02-03 23:01:11 ~MikkelPaulson well start pushing him on the subject
2011-02-03 23:01:49 ~MikkelPaulson and talk to him about what support the party is anticipating having in place
2011-02-03 23:02:06 ~MikkelPaulson always nice as a candidate to know that someone has your back
2011-02-03 23:02:15 +Zblewski Mhm
2011-02-03 23:04:34 +rintaran Mike, what are you up to Sunday? We could sit down and work a bit on the PR Guide. What do you think?
2011-02-03 23:04:46 ~MikkelPaulson the other thing we should do is build advertising contacts and put together some good TV pieces
2011-02-03 23:04:52 +Zblewski I could, I need to get back to you on that
2011-02-03 23:05:03 +rintaran Let me know.
2011-02-03 23:05:13 +Zblewski National ads will cost biiig
2011-02-03 23:05:17 +Zblewski More than we have
2011-02-03 23:05:27 ~MikkelPaulson we have free ad time remember
2011-02-03 23:05:34 +rintaran For advertising, I have a connection with Daytime through RogersTV. Not overly useful unless we have a candidate in Ottawa though.
2011-02-03 23:05:36 +Zblewski Yes, I'm just stating
2011-02-03 23:05:42 +rintaran Also have a link to the Ottawa Sun.
2011-02-03 23:06:08 +Nuitari MikkelPaulson: you could make a simple recording of you in a comfy sweater...
2011-02-03 23:06:19 ~MikkelPaulson petting a cat?
2011-02-03 23:06:26 +Nuitari yeah sure
2011-02-03 23:06:26 +rintaran Just don't eat the kitten on air.
2011-02-03 23:06:31 +Zblewski Mikkel's too well-dressed for that
2011-02-03 23:06:43 ~MikkelPaulson sweater vest MAYBE
2011-02-03 23:06:51 +Zblewski I've never met a snappier dresser than Mikkel
2011-02-03 23:06:58 ~MikkelPaulson although 3 years of high school uniform sorta bred that out of me
2011-02-03 23:07:23 +Nuitari sweater and blue jeans
2011-02-03 23:07:25 +Nuitari a real man of the people
2011-02-03 23:08:03 +rintaran better make it a zip-up hoodie.
2011-02-03 23:09:01 +Zblewski That's something I normally wear on non-pirate duty
2011-02-03 23:09:16 +Zblewski I think we're off topic
2011-02-03 23:09:25 +rintaran Definitely.
2011-02-03 23:10:19 ~MikkelPaulson just a bit
2011-02-03 23:10:23 +rintaran I understand we essentially will be running this campaign with a $0 budget. We don't have the option of sponsorship, so a part of the campaigning will have to work toward getting donations and membership.
2011-02-03 23:10:52 +rintaran $0 Marketing options are limited, but not non-existant.
2011-02-03 23:11:09 +rintaran One of the key things is to find out what events are going on in candidate areas, and take part in them.
2011-02-03 23:11:24 +rintaran Media covers events, so it works out as free marketing for the candidates and the party.
2011-02-03 23:11:36 +rintaran It also shows involvement in local community.
2011-02-03 23:11:53 +rintaran This will probably be one of our most effective marketing methods given our current resources.
2011-02-03 23:12:30 +Zblewski Earned media is nonexistant at this point, unless you're really smart in where you show up
2011-02-03 23:12:32 +rintaran $3k barely will buy a business card-sized ad in a newspaper for 6 days, excluding Saturday.
2011-02-03 23:13:52 +rintaran Smart events notify the media with the time of their "big" item, whether that's a keynote speaker, finals or something else. That's also usually available on their schedule. Candidates need to be there around those times and get chummy with the organizers.
2011-02-03 23:14:13 +rintaran And more importantly, chummy with the media.
2011-02-03 23:14:30 +rintaran It could lead to interviews or just a quick media op.
2011-02-03 23:14:35 +rintaran Either way, it's a win.
2011-02-03 23:14:39 ~MikkelPaulson yeah
2011-02-03 23:14:46 ~MikkelPaulson and announce big platform points mid-campaign
2011-02-03 23:15:09 ~MikkelPaulson the NDP candidate got a bit flurry of coverage for announcing his plan to combat gang violence 2 weeks into the campaign
2011-02-03 23:16:19 +rintaran It's a working tactic.
2011-02-03 23:16:28 ~MikkelPaulson in Winnipeg North, that is
2011-02-03 23:17:06 +rintaran PSAs can also work. They're free and if you tie it to something, say a bowl with the candidates night or something, that could work out well.
2011-02-03 23:17:27 ~MikkelPaulson PSA?
2011-02-03 23:17:35 +rintaran Public Service Announcements.
2011-02-03 23:17:45 ~MikkelPaulson ah, I suspected that's what you were on about
2011-02-03 23:18:08 +rintaran I have local contacts again, but nothing national.
2011-02-03 23:19:16 +rintaran Those things are better handled on local levels anyways though.
2011-02-03 23:19:21 ~MikkelPaulson indeed
2011-02-03 23:19:31 ~MikkelPaulson which is only really useful in the Ottawa area, unfortunately
2011-02-03 23:19:41 ~MikkelPaulson Mike, would you dad run in Sudbury?
2011-02-03 23:19:58 ~MikkelPaulson *your
2011-02-03 23:20:04 +Zblewski Yeah, it would be Sudbury
2011-02-03 23:20:15 +rintaran Jeff just has to do a quick 15-second and 30-second PSA and he could send it to the stations in Winnipeg. Same for other candidates in other ridings.
2011-02-03 23:20:34 +rintaran If he ran in Sudbury, I know someone at Northern Life that might be interested in an interview.
2011-02-03 23:20:35 ~MikkelPaulson 7 members there
2011-02-03 23:20:45 ~MikkelPaulson including the two of you I guess
2011-02-03 23:20:47 +rintaran Let me see if I still have her contact info.
2011-02-03 23:21:10 ~MikkelPaulson on what subject?
2011-02-03 23:22:05 +rintaran On why he's running for the Pirate Party, and what it means.
2011-02-03 23:24:32 +rintaran Ok, I have two contacts. One with CKLU and one with Northern Life.
2011-02-03 23:25:09 +rintaran If he runs, it's a starting point for media contacts in Sudbury.
2011-02-03 23:26:50 +rintaran I also still have connections with a couple of writing groups that he could speak with. If he convinces them, that's a lot of free letters to the editor he could count on.
2011-02-03 23:27:58 +rintaran Hello? Did everyone just die at their keyboards leaving me all alone?
2011-02-03 23:28:02 +Zblewski No
2011-02-03 23:28:05 +Zblewski I'm here
2011-02-03 23:28:20 +Zblewski Mikkel's dreaming about PPCA ties, though
2011-02-03 23:28:29 +rintaran Ok... Just seemed weird seeing only me speaking since 23:21
2011-02-03 23:28:51 ~MikkelPaulson sorry
2011-02-03 23:29:01 ~MikkelPaulson to be honest election strategy isn't my forte
2011-02-03 23:29:04 +Nuitari sorry had to take care of the baby
2011-02-03 23:29:25 +Zblewski I think we can move on. I'll make sure My dad knows
2011-02-03 23:29:31 ~MikkelPaulson sounds good
2011-02-03 23:29:38 ~MikkelPaulson well that's all I have on the agenda
2011-02-03 23:29:41 ~MikkelPaulson anything else to raise?
2011-02-03 23:29:45 ~MikkelPaulson rintaran, your time in the spotlight
2011-02-03 23:29:49 ~MikkelPaulson anything you'd like to discuss?
2011-02-03 23:30:20 +rintaran Were it an hour sooner, I'd bring up the information ministry topic that we were supposed to discuss.
2011-02-03 23:30:38 +rintaran But at this late hour, I wouldn't put much money on too many thoughts in that area.
2011-02-03 23:30:47 ~MikkelPaulson yeah, I hope the real full council meetings are a bit more brief
2011-02-03 23:30:55 +rintaran I would recommend putting an ending time on meetings though.
2011-02-03 23:30:55 ~MikkelPaulson we've only had one with 5 attendees that I can remember
2011-02-03 23:31:15 +Zblewski The second one
2011-02-03 23:31:18 +rintaran Less trips down tangent lane, more focus on the topics.
2011-02-03 23:31:19 +Zblewski IIRC
2011-02-03 23:31:37 ~MikkelPaulson I don't know; obviously we want to keep it brief, but the purpose of the Council is to flesh out what needs to be fleshed out
2011-02-03 23:31:50 ~MikkelPaulson and deal with all of the issues of the past week and of the coming week
2011-02-03 23:32:01 ~MikkelPaulson sometimes that's been 15 minutes, sometimes considerably longer
2011-02-03 23:32:09 ~MikkelPaulson but I know it's late for you guys, so let's call it a night
2011-02-03 23:32:26 ~MikkelPaulson meeting adjourned
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