From Pirate Party of Canada
21:46:40 Mikkel Paulson: in that case, I'll call the meeting to order
21:46:50 Mikkel Paulson: first order of business: congratulations guys!
21:46:54 Mikkel Paulson: welcome to the bunch
21:47:07 Shawn Vulliez: Thank you, Mik.
21:47:12 Mikkel Paulson: it feels weird to have a full slate again, I think we've only ever had one meeting with 5 attendees
21:47:12 Mike Bleskie: The bunch of bull?
21:47:16 Shawn Gray: Thanks. Good to be here.
21:47:17 Mikkel Paulson: that's us
21:47:39 Mikkel Paulson: we don't have anyone acting as clerk today
21:47:55 Mikkel Paulson: guess I'll just post a transcript myself
21:48:54 Mikkel Paulson: I've been mulling over the cabinet posts of late
21:49:17 Mikkel Paulson: Jake and Dan really didn't have much heaped on them because I knew they had time constraints
21:49:34 Mikkel Paulson: so their posts (spokesman and local relations) weren't particularly demanding
21:49:41 Mikkel Paulson: and have obviously gone empty for some time
21:50:05 Mikkel Paulson: however, now that we have a full house, I've drawn up a slate that I hope will meet with your satisfaction
21:50:28 Mikkel Paulson: first off, Volunteer Relations
21:50:40 Mikkel Paulson: I think that one's right up your alley, rintaran
21:51:02 Shawn Gray: I believe you may be right.
21:51:08 Mikkel Paulson: you know better than most how much of a shambles our volunteer system is in
21:51:14 Mikkel Paulson: and I hope you can get that straightened out a bit
21:51:36 Shawn Gray: The "advantages" of having taken classes in HR & Volunteer Management.
21:51:45 Mikkel Paulson: indeed so
21:52:13 Shawn Gray: I take it that means you approve of the basic volunteer job descriptions I sent re: committees?
21:52:26 Mikkel Paulson: I do
21:52:44 Mikkel Paulson: I want you to reach out to the people who have volunteered and not been followed up with
21:52:56 Mikkel Paulson: set up local outreach events where you can
21:53:14 Mikkel Paulson: and generally help us to build our support base
21:53:22 Shawn Vulliez: Great
21:53:53 Shawn Gray: This can be done. I'll work on putting together a handful of basic letters and get them out to people that have volunteered. If anyone knows people in their areas, feel free to direct them to contact me. I'm sure we can find a place for almost everyone.
21:54:07 Mikkel Paulson: sounds good
21:54:13 Mikkel Paulson: our committee structure really hasn't worked
21:54:24 Mikkel Paulson: so feel free to mess with that too if it helps
21:54:34 Shawn Gray: I'll also start getting volunteer job descriptions together for elections positions.
21:55:11 Mikkel Paulson: don't worry about making everything too official right off the bat
21:55:16 Mikkel Paulson: the most important thing is that we get people working
21:56:05 Shawn Gray: I can chew through a dozen job descriptions in an hour and a half. Plus, we'll need it for the upcoming election.
21:56:13 Mikkel Paulson: that we will
21:56:22 Mikkel Paulson: I'm working on building my own support structure in Edmonton
21:56:33 Mikkel Paulson: picking up a few volunteers here and there, still looking for an Agent though
21:56:43 Shawn Vulliez: Likewise, here in Vancouver we have a structure building.
21:57:23 Shawn Gray: Mike and I are meeting with Sam tomorrow to make some final plans on the event in Ottawa. We should get some people from that, and there's been Ottawa-based interest on the boards. It'll get things going.
21:57:38 Mikkel Paulson: great
21:57:45 Mikkel Paulson: I'd love to have an Ottawa candidate
21:57:55 Stephane Bakhos: I'm here for now
21:57:59 Mikkel Paulson: okay
21:58:03 Mikkel Paulson: caught up?
21:58:08 Stephane Bakhos: not yet
21:58:18 Mikkel Paulson: no worries
21:58:44 Mikkel Paulson: Zblewski: I'd like you to focus on International and Interpartisan Relations
21:58:53 Mike Bleskie: Sure hing.
21:58:57 Stephane Bakhos: caught up
21:59:12 Mikkel Paulson: whether or not we join PPI, we can get a lot by collaborating with other Pirate Parties on an ad hoc basis
21:59:20 Mikkel Paulson: of course, if we do so, we'll need a liason
21:59:22 Mike Bleskie: And I can fill you all in on our Mumble meeting tomorrow after this.
21:59:38 Mikkel Paulson: and we should also start building connections with other minor parties at home
21:59:57 Mikkel Paulson: you never know when they'll be useful
22:00:02 Mikkel Paulson: all of that networking bullcrap
22:00:07 Shawn Vulliez: and activist groups!
22:00:12 Mikkel Paulson: yessir
22:00:29 Shawn Vulliez: people who aren't tied to any party and who are passionate about politics are a good ally
22:00:34 Mikkel Paulson: I think with your political background you'll be great for the job
22:00:59 Mikkel Paulson: but yeah, we'll discuss it more in a few minutes
22:01:10 Mikkel Paulson: shawnvulliez, as we've already discussed, I'm giving you a shot at PR
22:01:25 Mikkel Paulson: your first job is to work with rintaran to bring the PR department up to snuff
22:01:39 Shawn Vulliez: Alright, sounds good to me.
22:01:40 Mikkel Paulson: insofar as possible, we need to be acting where we have been reacting (and slowly at that)
22:01:47 Mikkel Paulson: *as is
22:02:08 Shawn Vulliez: I have some great ideas, cheif
22:02:13 Shawn Vulliez: I've got hoop dreams, coach
22:02:38 Mikkel Paulson: and I'll give you a 50% pay hike if you stop making sports analogies
22:03:02 Shawn Vulliez: Be careful, we don't want to appear too anti-sports. Big demographic.
22:03:08 Shawn Vulliez: pirate party shoots and scores
22:03:18 Mikkel Paulson: right
22:03:20 Shawn Vulliez: we need PPCA jerseys.
22:03:33 Shawn Vulliez: all with "LeBron" on the back
22:03:36 Shawn Vulliez: nevermind. go on.
22:03:37 Mikkel Paulson: and Nuitari of course is irreplaceable
22:03:41 Mikkel Paulson: we need him just where he is
22:03:50 Mikkel Paulson: does that sound agreeable?
22:04:00 Stephane Bakhos: yes
22:04:50 Shawn Vulliez: Sounds great to me.
22:05:04 Shawn Gray: Looks like a good start.
22:05:18 Mikkel Paulson: okay then
22:05:28 Mikkel Paulson: you've both got your emails set up and working?
22:06:16 Shawn Vulliez: Yes indeed.
22:06:17 Shawn Gray: Yup. Just got through setting mine up now. For some reason, it's the only e-mail that'll send out from my netbook... lol.
22:06:53 Mike Bleskie: Can I get both of them?
22:06:59 Mikkel Paulson: Nuitari: are they set up on directors@ and pr@ ?
22:07:03 Mike Bleskie: MUST. BOOKMARK.
22:07:08 Stephane Bakhos: yes
22:07:09 Mikkel Paulson: shawnvulliez@ and shawngray@
22:07:10 Shawn Gray: shawngray@
22:07:20 Shawn Vulliez: our lovable shawns
22:07:41 Mikkel Paulson: also... could you set the rest of us up with firstlast@ and just forward it to our normal accounts?
22:07:43 Shawn Gray: Let's make this easier on us, just call me Rin.
22:07:56 Mikkel Paulson: r <tab>
22:08:13 Mikkel Paulson: btw I can rename your forum account if you'd like
22:08:15 Shawn Vulliez: G-unit and V-unit
22:08:39 Shawn Gray: lol. Now that I'm a director, that might be a good idea.
22:09:05 Mikkel Paulson: well, Stephane has staunchly stuck to Nuitari, so it's hardly mandatory
22:09:06 Stephane Bakhos: done
22:09:26 Mike Bleskie: So we all have firatlast in addition to our own. noted.
22:09:27 Mikkel Paulson: great, thanks
22:09:46 Mikkel Paulson: speaking of which, business cards?
22:10:22 Mike Bleskie: Yup, I'll just ask Vulliez and Gray to give me some basic information
22:10:31 Mike Bleskie: And I'll head to the printers tomorrow
22:10:33 Stephane Bakhos: and I just need the design...
22:10:41 Shawn Gray: What do you need?
22:10:42 Mike Bleskie: Ah, yes
22:10:42 Mikkel Paulson: they'll need phone tree extensions as well
22:10:55 Mike Bleskie: Nuitari can do the extensions
22:10:59 Stephane Bakhos: Shawn Gray: Shawn Vulliez: PM me your phone numbers
22:11:04 Mikkel Paulson: could you put the firstlast@ form on all of the cards?
22:11:16 Stephane Bakhos: keep mine as agent@
22:11:26 Mikkel Paulson: that works
22:11:29 Stephane Bakhos: and I'll get the cards from my shop since with shipping it won't save anything to print them in Ottawa
22:11:57 Shawn Vulliez: How many business cards can I expect here? I am looking forward to this.
22:12:04 Mikkel Paulson: so am I
22:12:26 Mikkel Paulson: did we say 500 each?
22:12:32 Mikkel Paulson: plus 1000 blanks
22:12:33 Mikkel Paulson: can't remember
22:12:41 Stephane Bakhos: Shawn Gray: is 120
22:12:50 Mike Bleskie: yeah
22:12:53 Stephane Bakhos: 3000 generic for 99$
22:13:03 Mike Bleskie: 500 of each plus 3000 generic
22:13:04 Stephane Bakhos: so I'll buy a batch and split it up between people
22:13:07 Mikkel Paulson: okay
22:13:10 Mikkel Paulson: sounds good
22:13:19 Mikkel Paulson: put a handful in whenever we ship out an order
22:13:21 Stephane Bakhos: Shawn Vulliez: is extension 130 once I get it
22:13:22 Mikkel Paulson: or with a membership card
22:13:22 Stephane Bakhos: yeah
22:13:23 Mikkel Paulson: etc.
22:13:36 Mikkel Paulson: we've already discussed all of that stuff, anyway
22:13:45 Mikkel Paulson: shall we move on?
22:13:54 Stephane Bakhos: yes
22:14:03 Stephane Bakhos: phone system adjusted
22:14:06 Shawn Gray: Unless there's more basic setup to go through, I'm good with it.
22:14:17 Mikkel Paulson: okay, Zblewski, take it away
22:14:23 Mikkel Paulson: what's up with PPI?
22:14:57 Mikkel Paulson: (by the way if you'd care to mess with your titles you're more than welcome, I know some are a bit unwieldy)
22:15:03 Mike Bleskie: I have a board-to-board meeting arranged for tomorrow, and I'd like whoever can make it to attend.
22:15:25 Mikkel Paulson: what time?
22:15:27 Mike Bleskie: The meeting is going to be on Mumble
22:15:33 Mike Bleskie: it's at 8 eastern
22:15:43 Mike Bleskie: lemme get the server name
22:15:46 Shawn Gray: 8am or pm?
22:15:56 Mike Bleskie: pm
22:15:59 Mikkel Paulson: okay, I should be able to make that
22:16:01 Mike Bleskie: Wait
22:16:02 Mike Bleskie: No
22:16:03 Mike Bleskie: sorry
22:16:08 Mike Bleskie: 8 CET
22:16:12 Mike Bleskie: So, 2 EST
22:16:23 Mikkel Paulson: yeah that seemed kinda late for them...
22:16:30 Mikkel Paulson: and noon my time
22:16:39 Mikkel Paulson: again, I can make it for that one
22:16:48 Mikkel Paulson: just send us the server
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22:17:39 Shawn Gray: Surprisingly I have an opening between 2pm-3pm eastern. I'll install mumble on my netbook and should be able to make it for a little while anyways.
22:17:54 Mike Bleskie: Okay. The more the better.
22:17:55 Mikkel Paulson: what've you got in the meantime, Zblewski?
22:18:15 Mike Bleskie: I want us to quickly talk about talking points to use.
22:18:18 Mike Bleskie: For example
22:18:34 Mike Bleskie: There are multiple grievances against PPI that need to be smoothed out
22:19:12 Mikkel Paulson: sure
22:19:21 Shawn Gray: Such as?
22:19:30 Mike Bleskie: such as europhilia, claims of corruption, as well as lack of action, and some actions seen as a eccentric
22:19:54 Shawn Gray: Always good to know what we're walking into.
22:20:13 Mike Bleskie: I think we can all agree PPI is definitely focused on Eurupe, not so much on other countries
22:20:20 Mikkel Paulson: I like the concept of PPI
22:20:46 Stephane Bakhos: I feel that while the concept is good, the current implementation leaves a lot to be desired
22:20:46 Mike Bleskie: The benefits of PPI are publicity, some level of assistance, international networking
22:20:50 Mikkel Paulson: but I definitely agree that it has a long way to come as an organization
22:21:18 Mike Bleskie: I think we should start, by asking them what they can offer us
22:21:35 Mike Bleskie: Following up by our concerns
22:21:41 Shawn Vulliez: (I'm going to be right back, to see if I can trick this computer into giving me more time.)
22:22:00 Mike Bleskie: and then lay out our views on how we see us working with them
22:22:11 Mikkel Paulson: absolutely
22:22:14 Mike Bleskie: Let them have the final word
22:22:30 Mike Bleskie: And that's the four-point process I see
22:22:49 Mikkel Paulson: if they can't give us a good reason to join, I don't see that things need to proceed any more beyond that
22:22:53 Stephane Bakhos: need to disappear for a few
22:22:55 Shawn Gray: It's a good process, but it'll have more back and forth.
22:23:00 Mikkel Paulson: no doubt
22:23:05 Mike Bleskie: Go ahead Nui
22:23:19 Shawn Gray: For all intents and purposes, this will be a business arrangement. There will be a lot of negotiations in the future as we come to a contract we can agree to.
22:23:21 Mike Bleskie: There will be back and forth
22:23:40 Mike Bleskie: This has to be decided quickly
22:23:45 Mike Bleskie: or we wait another year
22:23:55 Mikkel Paulson: on the other hand, though, I don't see that PPI is going to improve as an organization WITHOUT the active participation of member organizations
22:24:39 Mikkel Paulson: that's the gist of a few conversations I've had with ThomasG
22:24:43 Mike Bleskie: There's the discussions tomorrow, we talk about it again and vote Thursday on it, then present our findings to the membership on the 19th
22:24:58 Mike Bleskie: I like Thomas
22:24:59 Mikkel Paulson: sounds good
22:25:07 Mike Bleskie: though he's one of the more active ones
22:25:07 Mikkel Paulson: well, it's your ballpark
22:25:25 Mike Bleskie: We'll all see what happens tomorrow
22:26:02 Mikkel Paulson: indeed
22:26:05 Mike Bleskie: And if not, they can always ask us another time
22:26:26 Shawn Gray: I haven't been able to get on with the board for a couple weeks because of the extra work I've picked up here. It'll be good to chat with Thomas again.
22:26:30 Mikkel Paulson: I'd like to get him as a guest participant at the next FC meeting and/or at the General Meeting on the 19th
22:26:42 Mike Bleskie: Agreed.
22:26:52 Mikkel Paulson: although I realize that right now it's 4:30 am there
22:27:01 Mikkel Paulson: sorry mate
22:27:11 Shawn Vulliez: it's all good
22:27:19 Mike Bleskie: to recap, Mumble, tomorrow, 2PM EST, apophis.ch.
22:27:23 Mikkel Paulson: so if he's fine with staying up a bit, we can make that the first order of business
22:27:32 Mikkel Paulson: that's 11am your time
22:28:03 Mike Bleskie: shawnvulliez: Think you can do a voice conference?
22:28:40 Shawn Vulliez: I can as a general rule
22:28:49 Shawn Vulliez: but at 11am tomorrow I will be asleep
22:29:24 Shawn Vulliez: If it's really helpful to have me there, I can asjust my sleep schedule for it
22:29:26 Shawn Gray: Planning on a late night tonight?
22:29:41 Shawn Vulliez: Yeah, I work night shift. I get off work at 8am.
22:29:52 Shawn Gray: Ouch. Not fun.
22:30:10 Shawn Vulliez: Beneficial for PPI relations though, generally
22:30:26 Shawn Vulliez: I don't know how much longer I'll be on the night shift
22:30:34 Shawn Vulliez: Like I said, I can stay up for it tomorrow if need be
22:30:39 Mike Bleskie: Okay, well, I don't have anything else to add on that note.
22:30:52 Shawn Gray: It's up to you. I think it would be beneficial to have more people on the mumble discussing and listening to the PPI's proposals.
22:30:52 Mikkel Paulson: don't worry about it, we'll be reporting the results afterwards anyway
22:31:17 Shawn Vulliez: It is exciting to be collaborating across the world like that
22:31:19 Mikkel Paulson: I don't think we need a full slate there or anything
22:31:29 Mikkel Paulson: absolutely
22:31:37 Mikkel Paulson: and I'm really moved by what we accomplished in Tunisia
22:31:44 Shawn Gray: It was fantastic with Tunisia.
22:32:22 Mikkel Paulson: one major benefit of international involvement, through PPI or no, is that it's a way for us to have a noticeable effect (and hopefully get corresponding publicity) without having to fight our way through traditional political channels
22:32:53 Mikkel Paulson: which may mean diverging from our platform a bit
22:33:18 Mikkel Paulson: but I don't think anyone had a problem with our involvement there
22:37:06 Mikkel Paulson: nothing else to add on the subject I take it?
22:38:06 Mikkel Paulson: okay then
22:38:13 Mikkel Paulson: let's talk marketing plan
22:38:23 Mikkel Paulson: rintaran, you're up
22:38:26 Shawn Vulliez: It's a good plan.
22:38:57 Shawn Gray: So, what I've basically come up with here is a starter plan.
22:39:18 Shawn Gray: There's a lot more that could be added, primarily a secondary audience, which I believe Shawn will be speaking to in a couple of minutes.
22:39:56 Shawn Gray: The plan feeds off itself to help in all the current areas we need assistance: membership, volunteers, local activities.
22:40:14 Shawn Gray: It then uses that to generate more of the same, and in turn, provide a positive ROI.
22:40:51 Shawn Gray: It is by no means exhaustive, and I believe there is more to be added, but that's why it needs to be discussed.
22:41:26 Shawn Gray: I could go through it step by step, but I'm pretty sure we all get the basics just from reading.
22:41:58 Shawn Gray: Before we move into proposing alterations, does anyone have questions about the draft I've presented?
22:42:57 Mikkel Paulson: give me a moment to pull it
22:42:58 Mikkel Paulson: up
22:43:26 Mike Bleskie: Not at this moment in time.
22:43:43 Shawn Vulliez: I think it's all pretty straightforward and agreeable.
22:43:49 Mikkel Paulson: honestly, I was pretty impressed by your thoroughness
22:44:07 Mikkel Paulson: although your target audience definitions are somewhat based on conjecture as far as I could tell
22:44:21 Mikkel Paulson: I'd like to send a voluntary survey out to our members to get a more accurate picture of that
22:44:55 Shawn Vulliez: Might be a good time also to see if we can plot some of the political viewpoints of the existing party
22:45:00 Shawn Gray: Unfortunately, target audiences are generally based more on conjecture. The question is, do we this this would be our primary audience. If not, then the whole plan requires alterations to match the primary.
22:45:02 Shawn Vulliez: get a picture of our diversity and all that.
22:45:31 Mikkel Paulson: it certainly sounds like a reasonable description of the average pirate
22:45:40 Shawn Gray: A voluntary survey to get better demographic information would be great, especially for retention and stewardship.
22:45:51 Mikkel Paulson: and I agree that intuitively that's the group that we should have the most success with
22:46:01 Mikkel Paulson: but it'd be nice to have empirical information at some point
22:46:51 Mikkel Paulson: we could also ask a half-dozen basic questions pulled from The Political Compass to get some idea of our members' ideological slant
22:47:21 Shawn Gray: It would indeed. I would actually recommend sending out a voluntary survey once a year to ensure we're hitting the demographics we want, and to help judge whether our marketing plan is working.
22:47:31 Mikkel Paulson: I would guess that the highest concentration would be moderate libertarian/anarchist and centre or centre/left
22:47:36 Mikkel Paulson: but again, conjecture
22:47:54 Mikkel Paulson: do you think that's within your capabilities?
22:48:07 Mikkel Paulson: I took a social stats course last year and could no doubt throw something together in a pinch
22:48:08 Shawn Vulliez: I'd gladly help in arranging the survey as well
22:49:10 Shawn Vulliez: I have a few ideas on the marketing plan that I'd like to pitch
22:49:16 Shawn Gray: The political compass questions may be better handled by someone else, but the basic demographics questions that I would be of most use I can certainly tailor.
22:49:20 Mikkel Paulson: well those would definitely be within your domains
22:50:17 Shawn Vulliez: Something that we all ought to do ASAP as council members
22:50:29 Mikkel Paulson: as far as empirical information goes, this might be of some help
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22:50:36 Shawn Gray: I suppose Shawn & I could put together a list of questions and we can get the survey up using surveymonkey quickly enough.
22:50:53 Shawn Gray: That does. Gives us the current age range.
22:51:18 Mikkel Paulson: the info is about 8 months old, but I doubt that the distribution has changed significantly
22:51:27 Shawn Vulliez: That's interesting
22:51:32 Shawn Vulliez: Fits some of my expectations.
22:51:41 Shawn Vulliez: I'
22:52:06 Shawn Vulliez: I'd like to suggest (or maybe move?) that the federal council members voluntarily set up blogs
22:52:31 Mikkel Paulson: well if it's voluntary then it's not much of a motion is it?
22:52:32 Mikkel Paulson: haha
22:52:33 Stephane Bakhos: back
22:52:34 Shawn Vulliez: To share ideas, talk about the things we are doing in a public-friendly way, and promote transparency by directly interacting with the audience
22:52:47 Shawn Vulliez: I say voluntary only because I don't want to make anyone do anything ever
22:52:51 Mike Bleskie: I wish I had the time to, and I was planningonmakingmy ownsite,but I justhave zerotimeto
22:53:00 Mike Bleskie: SPACE BARRRRRR
22:53:00 Mikkel Paulson: honestly I don't think I have the time to keep up a regular blog either
22:53:01 Shawn Vulliez: but it would be best if we all had one.
22:53:19 Shawn Vulliez: Even if it wasn't frequently updated, it would still be updated more than the main page
22:53:20 Mikkel Paulson: and the only thing worse than no blog is an abandoned blog
22:53:32 Shawn Gray: Wordpress, 2-minute setup, 1 5-minute post/week is plenty for those without more time.
22:53:32 Mikkel Paulson: I do however use Twitter several times a day
22:54:05 Shawn Gray: Actually, would a single blog with all of us able to post be of similar use?
22:54:05 Mikkel Paulson: I think we should start by setting up a party blog that will actually receive frequent updates
22:54:24 Stephane Bakhos: can I add something to the demographic?
22:54:24 Shawn Vulliez: Yes, that's a good idea.
22:54:41 Shawn Gray: Sure.
22:55:06 Mikkel Paulson: also please find someone to take over the Twitter and identi.ca, I haven't done anything but the occasional retweet and it deserves better
22:55:09 Stephane Bakhos: We shouldn't discount any particular sphere, all of the major points can be seen in both a right-wing and left-wing way
22:55:41 Shawn Vulliez: This is true.
22:55:52 Stephane Bakhos: right-wing as being mostly letting the market decide who wins vs who loses, w/o enforced monopolies
22:56:22 Mikkel Paulson: and if I'm to have a chance to win in Edmonton Centre, particularly outside of downtown, I'll need to play on that right side
22:57:09 Shawn Vulliez: As for the other demographics rintaran mentioned,
22:57:15 Shawn Vulliez: We should also try to appeal to an older audience by showing how patent laws drive up the cost of medicine. Maybe have some specific campaigns that are intended to be forwarded on to adults. People send things to their family members, and if we can find a graceful way to say "hey kid, your mom should know _____"
22:57:22 Shawn Gray: I suppose "wingism" could be another category of the demographics...
22:57:27 Shawn Vulliez: that would benefit us.
22:58:02 Shawn Vulliez: I have a tendency to reject the right-left paradigm entirely
22:58:10 Shawn Vulliez: but our issues are universal to all political groups
22:58:34 Stephane Bakhos: right, and it's always better to talk to the side a voter identified to
22:59:02 Mikkel Paulson: http://www.youtube.com/pegnorthpirate#p/u/8/NC1Nia7lN6o
22:59:45 Mikkel Paulson: piracy isn't the exclusive domain of the young
22:59:58 Mikkel Paulson: Jeff did a great job of setting up his channel
23:00:02 Shawn Gray: The wingism would have to be divided by region, based upon the responses of our survey. Makes it a little difficult to put into a single national plan, but it could certainly be utilized in regional marketing plans.
23:00:39 Shawn Vulliez: Speaking of regional marketing, another possible tier for our plan to include, if not now, but in the future
23:00:56 Shawn Vulliez: is increasing web access to isolated communities, and setting up intranet for internet-less towns
23:01:00 Shawn Gray: The target audience in a marketing plan doesn't exclude people, it merely is our most likely audience. There's always a number of outliers that don't fit, and many won't. But too general a plan is without use.
23:01:44 Shawn Vulliez: http://www.olsr.org
23:02:10 Shawn Vulliez: wireless mesh network software that works well
23:02:25 Shawn Vulliez: Agh, my internet time is up in a minute.
23:02:31 Shawn Vulliez: are we voting on anything today?
23:02:38 Mikkel Paulson: no
23:02:43 Shawn Vulliez: Ok, I have to leave. Big props y'
23:02:44 Shawn Vulliez: all
23:02:45 Mikkel Paulson: we very rarely vote at FC meetings
23:02:46 Shawn Vulliez: haha
23:02:48 Shawn Vulliez: goodbye
23:02:49 Mikkel Paulson: mostly work by consensus
23:02:51 Mikkel Paulson: thanks for coming
23:02:52 Mikkel Paulson: take care
23:02:56 Shawn Gray: See you next time Shawn.
23:03:15 Stephane Bakhos: cya shawnvulliez
23:03:50 Mikkel Paulson: anything else to add?
23:04:14 Shawn Gray: Alright, so back to topic. Basically, we need to expand the demographics to include a secondary demographic, and have a survey completed by PPCA membership to determine what our currently captured market is. Is that correct so far?
23:04:29 Mikkel Paulson: yeah
23:04:38 Mikkel Paulson: we can certainly act on the marketing plan as-is
23:04:49 Mikkel Paulson: in the interim
23:04:59 Mikkel Paulson: but if we can get survey data that helps us to refine that, so much the better
23:05:04 Shawn Gray: Cool. That's not too hard. How did the group starter pack suggestion hit you?
23:05:10 Mikkel Paulson: definitely
23:05:35 Mikkel Paulson: need to set up seeder support services to new groups, campus clubs, etc.
23:05:44 Stephane Bakhos: absolutely
23:06:01 Mikkel Paulson: we'll also want templates for our candidates in the next election
23:06:50 Shawn Gray: I think one of our keys to getting seeder support services going would be to contact some of the current groups and see what they've accomplished.
23:07:02 Mikkel Paulson: yeah
23:07:07 Shawn Gray: It would be a good way to build into a starter kit from ground-level.
23:07:43 Mikkel Paulson: for that, I think we should talk to Jeff, Sean, and Corey
23:08:04 Shawn Gray: Yeah. Also, we should ask them what they would have liked to have had in a starter kit.
23:08:13 Mikkel Paulson: especially Sean and Corey, since they've been dealing with the UW club deal lately
23:08:23 Mike Bleskie: Rin, remind me to bring my election materials tomorrow
23:08:35 Mikkel Paulson: we've been in more communication with Jeff, so I think we have a better grounding on what his campaign was lacking
23:08:41 Shawn Gray: I'll send you a txt Mike.
23:08:46 Mike Bleskie: And for you to return my cards, too =P
23:09:00 Shawn Gray: I have them in my wallet for you already Mike.
23:09:23 Shawn Gray: Mostly volunteer support I would think?
23:10:41 Mike Bleskie: He also purposefully ran on a near-zero budget
23:11:28 Mike Bleskie: We should have a few signs, but focus on the volunteers, the appearances, the media earned and fought for
23:11:47 Mikkel Paulson: yeah
23:11:55 Mikkel Paulson: we do need to get moving on that bulk order of signs too
23:12:03 Mikkel Paulson: but business cards are our first priority
23:12:16 Mike Bleskie: Sending them in a few seconds
23:12:48 Mikkel Paulson: I'd love to have a flyer for every residence in my riding, but that may be beyond our means
23:13:13 Mikkel Paulson: I had hoped to use business cards in lieu of that, but it sounds like they're about the same price as a B&W page
23:13:17 Mike Bleskie: directors' cards sent, candidates will need their information sent to me
23:13:59 Shawn Gray: If you hand business cards out to everyone, they lose their meaning.
23:14:07 Mikkel Paulson: Zblewski: I'll forward the info
23:14:46 Shawn Gray: It's also better if you scribble a short note on the back when you receive one to remind yourself what you spoke with them about. Following the same practice when distributing them is a good idea too. :)
23:15:10 Mikkel Paulson: Zblewski: "ext." in French is "poste"
23:15:31 Mikkel Paulson: hmm
23:15:45 Mikkel Paulson: it would actually be nice to have some blank space on the back of mine
23:16:06 Mikkel Paulson: in case I need to write a number or something
23:16:18 Stephane Bakhos: x110 is also valid and works for both french and english
23:16:40 Mikkel Paulson: can't you just write the info in the same way as I do in my email signature?
23:17:05 Mike Bleskie: Mikkel, stay online and we can work through them
23:17:08 Mikkel Paulson: okay
23:17:19 Mikkel Paulson: anything else or shall we call it a night?
23:17:39 Shawn Gray: I belive PR & UBB was on the agenda.
23:17:41 Mike Bleskie: and Nuitari, I was thinking *110, but Mikkel said the phone system will be fixed soon
23:18:19 Mikkel Paulson: well, worst-case scenario, I just record a brief message saying "press * followed by the extension number" and we put that up in the interim
23:19:07 Mikkel Paulson: Shawn Gray: ah yeah, forgot about that one
23:19:42 Mikkel Paulson: okay, let's do it
23:19:46 Mikkel Paulson: Nuitari: ETA on the downloads?
23:19:54 Stephane Bakhos: http://www.infoworld.com/t/regulation/terror-in-the-north-canada-loses-grip-reality-364?page=0,0 <-- funny bit about the UBB stuff
23:20:12 Stephane Bakhos: df tells me that 71gb is done
23:20:16 Stephane Bakhos: I'm getting packages 2
23:20:30 Stephane Bakhos: which is kind of depressing cause Id' thought we'd find something a bit more exciting to put on there
23:20:37 Mikkel Paulson: yeah
23:20:39 Mikkel Paulson: well
23:20:47 Mikkel Paulson: if someone would use a REAL operating system... ;)
23:21:05 Stephane Bakhos: what about project gutenberg?
23:21:14 Stephane Bakhos: not my fault windows doesn't ship with ext3 drivers
23:21:18 Mikkel Paulson: didn't want to crawl Jamendo?
23:21:26 Mikkel Paulson: Gutenberg DL-DVD is already on there
23:21:37 Stephane Bakhos: oh?
23:21:42 Mikkel Paulson: if I unpack it, we'll run into the same problem as MediaWiki
23:21:54 Mikkel Paulson: oh, sorry, you'll have to move it from ~/rtorrent/download
23:21:55 Stephane Bakhos: it's an iso ?
23:21:58 Stephane Bakhos: ah ok
23:22:00 Mikkel Paulson: yes
23:22:00 Stephane Bakhos: I'll grab it from there
23:23:30 Mikkel Paulson: so it'll be ready to go out tomorrow?
23:24:10 Stephane Bakhos: if you have the video and letter year
23:24:15 Mikkel Paulson: okay
23:24:23 Stephane Bakhos: at least one of the drives will be ready
23:24:35 Mikkel Paulson: still have to figure out some place to shoot it
23:24:46 Stephane Bakhos: KIS
23:24:51 Mikkel Paulson: empty computer lab would be ideal
23:24:55 Mikkel Paulson: KIS?
23:25:04 Mikkel Paulson: simple?
23:25:18 Mikkel Paulson: just don't want it to be a ZOMG WEBCAM dealy
23:26:27 Shawn Gray: How well rehearsed are you on your script?
23:26:50 Stephane Bakhos: ZOMG WEBCAM is better then ZOMG way too late
23:27:10 Shawn Gray: True. And I know many a webcam that's better than many a camcorder.
23:27:18 Mikkel Paulson: I've got it sorted out, should be fine
23:27:31 Stephane Bakhos: the libs had ads in front of a plain black background
23:27:40 Stephane Bakhos: the cons is
23:27:49 Stephane Bakhos: Harper in his office with a sweater
23:27:52 Mikkel Paulson: my point-and-shoot camera does 720p, I'll just use that
23:27:53 Shawn Gray: I'd recommend either do it in front of a recognizable building, in a computer lab, or in front of a wall with maps on it.
23:28:00 Mikkel Paulson: unfortunately my office is a mess
23:28:43 Mikkel Paulson: recognizable building is tough this time of year (melt-freeze = ice = gravel = crunch crunch crunch whenever someone walks by)
23:28:56 Mikkel Paulson: computer lab would be disruptive
23:29:12 Mikkel Paulson: only maps I have are a small globe and a small copy of the ridings map
23:29:20 Mikkel Paulson: I guess I could try to set up somewhere by the Leg
23:29:22 Shawn Gray: That is a problem. Too bad you couldn't record the sound on a different device, and edit the two and then sync it.
23:29:27 Mikkel Paulson: can probably find a quietish place around there
23:29:34 Mikkel Paulson: I was actually trying to do just that
23:29:46 Mikkel Paulson: using my phone's headset mic as a makeshift lapel mic
23:29:53 Mikkel Paulson: but the quality wasn't much better
23:30:17 Shawn Gray: I recommend grabbing a digital recorder. Keep it in the coat pocket. Works great.
23:30:36 Mikkel Paulson: I could give it a shot I suppose
23:30:36 Shawn Gray: I recorded some wedding vows that way. Worked out great after the final editing.
23:30:50 Mikkel Paulson: head down to the Leg here
23:31:03 Mikkel Paulson: sunset is pretty early though, may have to miss the PPI meeting for it
23:31:09 Mikkel Paulson: depending how long it runs
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23:34:36 Mikkel Paulson: so let's call it a night
23:35:06 Shawn Gray: Yeah, I don't think there's anything else that really needs to be covered meeting wise.
23:35:39 Shawn Gray: Not much homework from this tonight. I guess I'll get the volunteer pages up on the wiki and start work on the demographic portion of the survey.
23:35:53 Mikkel Paulson: yeah
23:36:12 Mikkel Paulson: just generally get a feel for your portfolio, and we can start to get into the gritties at the next meeting
23:36:30 Mikkel Paulson: I wanted to discuss if a different time schedule would work better, but unfortunately Shawn V wasn't able to stick around
23:36:35 Mikkel Paulson: so we'll talk about that on Thursday I guess
23:36:57 Shawn Gray: Sounds good to me.
23:37:14 Mikkel Paulson: already then
23:37:16 Mikkel Paulson: meeting adjourned
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