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21:02 <~MikkelPaulson> our #1 priority has to be to provide the candidates with the resources they need
21:02 <~MikkelPaulson> so website templates, have them set up Facebook groups, "collateral"
21:02 <+rintaran> I'm in the midst of creating a PPCA CRTC video. Going to be getting a few interviewed
constituents on Tuesday. It would be a simple matter to add a canadidate & riding list to
the end of it once I've completed it.
21:03 <+rintaran> Unfortunately the candidates themselves won't be in the video, but it could be something we
could build off of for TV spots.
21:04 <+rintaran> Well, snip & fit more like.
21:05 <~MikkelPaulson> that'd work
21:05 <~MikkelPaulson> at this point I'm not expecting miracles for the ad spot, just don't want free exposure
to go to waste
21:06 <+rintaran> How long's the spot? 15 sec, 30 sec or 60 sec?
21:06 <~MikkelPaulson> 30
21:06 <~MikkelPaulson> though two snappy 15-second spots back-to-back might work too
21:06 <+rintaran> Alright. I'll do the full-length video and see if I can't boil down a 30 second version.
Sans interviews and me on screen talking, it should work out alright.
21:07 <+svulliez> I can do a little animated one too
21:07 <+rintaran> Well, I don't know how snappy I can do, but it's something I can attempt atleast.
21:07 <~MikkelPaulson> please do
21:07 <~MikkelPaulson> whatever you feel fits the message best, anyway
21:07 <~MikkelPaulson> if you're editing down from a longer video, probably 30 is better than 15
21:08 <+rintaran> Likely. We'll see what comes of it. :)
21:08 <~MikkelPaulson> great
21:08 <~MikkelPaulson> keep us posted
21:08 <~MikkelPaulson> I'll see about putting together a Wordpress template for our candidates
21:08 <+Zblewski> Excellent
21:08 <~MikkelPaulson> it's about time I had something at mikkel.ca
21:09 <+Zblewski> I just wish TravisMcCrea were available X|
21:09 <~MikkelPaulson> for?
21:09 <+Zblewski> My Domain
21:09 <+Zblewski> needs to be fixed
21:09 <+Zblewski> anyways
21:10 <~MikkelPaulson> hmm
21:10 <~MikkelPaulson> any other election-related business?
21:10 <+svulliez> I have 2 possible vancouver area candidates for the next election, I'm meeting with one
today
21:11 <+Nuitari> cool
21:11 <+svulliez> but this one will be too soon for them
21:11 <~MikkelPaulson> well Vancouver Centre and Vancouver Quadra are hot ridings for us
21:12 <~MikkelPaulson> Zblewski: got an ETA on our business cards?
21:12 <+Zblewski> I just need to get the packing materials for it (aka to wrap them up and stamps
21:12 <+Zblewski> So, out within the next week
21:13 <+Nuitari> an ETA on the generic ones?
21:13 <+Nuitari> still waiting on the design
21:13 <+Zblewski> Still working on the design
21:14 <~MikkelPaulson> think you can get that finished up tonight?
21:14 <+Zblewski> I can see
21:16 <~MikkelPaulson> I can give you a hand if you need any help
21:17 <~MikkelPaulson> okay, next up is PPI
21:17 <+Zblewski> I just can't seem to do anything with that crappy back end
21:17 <+Zblewski> Okay
21:17 <~MikkelPaulson> which?
21:17 <~MikkelPaulson> the conference is this weekend
21:18 <+Zblewski> The submission is in, there is a zipped folder with our presentation package, so, we've
gone a bit further in our application
21:18 <+Zblewski> Mikkel may be presenting a video.
21:18 <~MikkelPaulson> http://int.piratenpartei.de/wiki/images/6/6a/PPI_Conference_2011_-_Agenda.pdf
21:18 <+svulliez> http://i.imgur.com/YwwPK.jpg
21:18 <+svulliez> recolor / test
21:19 <+Nuitari> seems even stronger then the black/white one
21:19 <+Zblewski> Are we not allowed to use our main logo as the primary?
21:19 <+Zblewski> *Ire we not restricted to
21:20 <~MikkelPaulson> yeah, it needs the logo
21:20 <~MikkelPaulson> and please stick to the style guide, FreeFont family
21:20 <+svulliez> The style guide needs a reboot IMO
21:20 <+svulliez> it's a good start
21:20 <~MikkelPaulson> anyway, we can discuss designs after the meeting
21:21 <+Zblewski> Now
21:21 <+Zblewski> About the conference
21:21 <~MikkelPaulson> our membership is up for a vote 11-12 Saturday CET
21:21 <+Zblewski> I'm going to fix a version with Canadian times
21:21 <~MikkelPaulson> please do
21:21 <+Zblewski> I also need to ask
21:21 <+Zblewski> How the video feed will be working
21:21 <+Zblewski> How else we will present
21:22 <~MikkelPaulson> I'll send them a prerecorded video clip
21:22 <+Zblewski> if we become a member, how many delegates we will be alloted for all other motions
21:22 <+Zblewski> etc.
21:22 <+Zblewski> So, I'll talk to Samir Allioui
21:22 <~MikkelPaulson> please do
21:22 <+rintaran> Number of delegates is irrelevant, you still only get 1 vote per party.
21:23 <~MikkelPaulson> I know they have 1-hour voting periods to accommodate those who couldn't have
delegates in attendance
21:23 <+Zblewski> Last time it was diffeent
21:23 <+Zblewski> maybe\
21:25 <~MikkelPaulson> there are three voting blocks
21:25 <~MikkelPaulson> we'll be able to participate in 2 and 3
21:25 <~MikkelPaulson> (1 is our membership vote)
21:26 <~MikkelPaulson> block 2 comes in at 11am to noon EST
21:26 <~MikkelPaulson> on Saturday
21:26 <~MikkelPaulson> and block 3 will be 4 am to 5 am EST I believe
21:26 <~MikkelPaulson> sorry 6 am to 7 am
21:26 <~MikkelPaulson> on Sunday
21:27 <+Zblewski> I will propose that I have someone join me online so we can decide together on PPCA's vote
21:27 <+Zblewski> Whoever wishes to do so
21:28 <+rintaran> Unfortunately, I'm tied up in a meeting on the Saturday. But I would be available to
manage the Sunday block.
21:28 <~MikkelPaulson> I can do Saturday
21:29 <+Zblewski> Okay, how about I register #PPI2011 for the purpose
21:29 <~MikkelPaulson> sure
21:30 <+Zblewski> Anyways
21:30 <~MikkelPaulson> we also have PPI board elections
21:30 <~MikkelPaulson> http://int.piratenpartei.de/PPI_Conference_2011/Board_candidatures
21:31 <~MikkelPaulson> I was discussing it with Thomas Gaul earlier; he asked if we intended to sponsor a
candidate
21:31 <+Zblewski> I think it would be inappropriate this year
21:31 <~MikkelPaulson> hinting I think that he'd like us to sponsor him for Co-Chairman
21:32 <+Zblewski> I'm sure he'd appreciate that, but are we in the position to do that sort of thing right
out of the gate?
21:32 <~MikkelPaulson> I agree
21:32 <+Zblewski> We can certainly choose to vote for him
21:33 <+Zblewski> Amelia Andersdotter just stepped up for the CAO spot
21:33 <+rintaran> Vote for him, no problem there. I don't think you can sponsor until you ARE a member though.
21:33 <+Zblewski> That's surprising
21:34 <~MikkelPaulson> you don't have to sponsor before the meeting
21:35 <~MikkelPaulson> but yeah, I think we should refrain from doing so this year
21:36 <+Nuitari> anything else for ppi ?
21:36 <~MikkelPaulson> I think that's it
21:36 <+svulliez> I think we should try to make a conscious effort towards having meetings with more inclusive
discussion. I'd rather just get an e-mail about this stuff
21:36 <+Nuitari> scshunt suggested that we try to get more involved with openmedia.ca
21:36 <+svulliez> We should be using this time effectively to weigh opinions
21:37 <~MikkelPaulson> such as?
21:37 <~MikkelPaulson> Nuitari: that's a good idea, want to reach out to them Zblewski?
21:38 <~MikkelPaulson> it would be great if we could get a few organizations like that to endorse us
21:38 <~MikkelPaulson> FCC, Stop the Meter
21:38 <+svulliez> They'll never endorse us
21:38 <+Zblewski> Not at this point in the game
21:39 <+svulliez> I've talked to Steve from openmedia , I think they do not want to appear partisan
21:39 <+Zblewski> unless for selected ridings, /maybe/. But doubtful.
21:39 <~MikkelPaulson> fair enough
21:39 <+Zblewski> FCC is another one that is trying to be nonpartisan
21:39 <+svulliez> I'll pass on my e-mail contact with openmedia to you, mike
21:39 <+svulliez> since it's your dept
21:39 <+Zblewski> Sure.
21:40 <+rintaran> LeadNow will endorse candidates (not parties) who claim they'll put forth their key values.
But they're just in the gathering stage of that discussion at the moment.
21:40 <~MikkelPaulson> well, any support that we can get is great
21:41 <+rintaran> It's actually part of their mission statement. :)
21:43 <~MikkelPaulson> okay, anything else for the evening?
21:43 <+svulliez> Platform
21:44 <~MikkelPaulson> indeed
21:44 <+svulliez> So I'd really like to get public input into the platform once it's all together
21:44 <+svulliez> I have a few ideas on how to do it
21:45 <+svulliez> The platform and the ideology
21:45 <~MikkelPaulson> well for ideology I think we ARE the input
21:46 <+svulliez> I've been working on it in the pirate pad here and there
21:46 <~MikkelPaulson> we're a value-based party, for the most part we can assume that our members support our
value
21:46 <~MikkelPaulson> s
21:47 <~MikkelPaulson> ideas?
21:47 <+svulliez> We could just call for public input, make a contact type form for comments on it when it's
complete
21:47 <+svulliez> perhaps bring it up at a meeting
21:48 <~MikkelPaulson> we don't have a lot of time
21:48 <+svulliez> I am specifically interested to see how people react to extensions of the established values
21:48 <~MikkelPaulson> I agree there
21:48 <+svulliez> for example, charter rights protection, artificial scarcity, education
21:49 <+Zblewski> Education is a provincial matter
21:49 <~MikkelPaulson> but I think we can sufficiently deal with it at the meeting on the 19th
21:49 <+svulliez> We all know education is a provincial matter
21:49 <+svulliez> if one more person tells me education is a provincial matter
21:49 <+svulliez> bullet >>>> head
21:50 <+svulliez> The federal government has set specific precedents as to their powers in education
21:50 <+svulliez> and we're planning on using those, check the pad
21:50 <+svulliez> also the fact that the internet is the best learning tool ever
21:50 <+svulliez> can't be ignored
21:51 <+svulliez> we can at least mention it in our "red book"
21:51 <~MikkelPaulson> for sure
21:51 <~MikkelPaulson> it should be a summary of the picture we have of what Canada should look like
21:52 <~MikkelPaulson> regardless of what parts we have the power to change and what we don't
21:52 <~MikkelPaulson> but not among our goals as an organization
21:52 <+Zblewski> We can at least discuss "working with other levels of government to achieve X, X, and X"
21:53 <+svulliez> I had an interesting idea for the platform
21:53 <+svulliez> given all the hubub about financial fraud and government corruption
21:54 <+svulliez> we could have a point that we're anti-pillaging
21:54 <+svulliez> Just struck me as kind of a funny thing
21:54 <+svulliez> the pirate party is actually anti-pillaging
21:54 <+rintaran> Well, accountability was one of the leading topics at the open forum I attended on Tuesday.
It would be a hot-button issue.
21:55 <+svulliez> It's pretty funny that other parties behave like pirates
21:55 <+svulliez> don't know how to use that to our advantage though
21:57 <+Zblewski> yeah
21:57 <+Zblewski> "pillage" isn't a good word to use
21:58 <+Zblewski> regardless of our own name
21:58 <+Zblewski> and any related connotations
21:58 <+svulliez> Alright, voice!
21:58 <~MikkelPaulson> good stuff
21:58 <+Zblewski> (9:58:10 PM) Zblewski: "pillage" isn't a good word to use
21:58 <+Zblewski> (9:58:22 PM) Zblewski: regardless of our own name
21:58 <+Zblewski> (9:58:32 PM) Zblewski: and any related connotations
21:59 <~MikkelPaulson> I agree, that would be pushing us way over the edge into being a joke party
21:59 <+svulliez> I'll say that it's ok if we don't use that, but I strongly object to the idea that public
relations could turnus into a "joke party"
22:00 <+svulliez> if the rhino party was silly all the time, but it had a serious platform
22:00 <+svulliez> it wouldn't be a joke party
22:00 <~MikkelPaulson> paving over the rockies was a serious platform?
22:00 <+svulliez> we have ideals and a real platform and we believe that we're talking about
22:00 <+svulliez> MikkelPaulson: "If"
22:01 <+Nuitari> neorhino also planned of separating Quebec to merge it with Cuba to fix the healthcare problem
22:01 <+svulliez> yeah so, comparisons to the rhino party suck and degrade the quality of conversation is my point
22:01 <+svulliez> we are not like and we will never be like the rhino party
22:02 <+svulliez> The Pirate connection is there, I'm of the opinion that we be the one to bring it up first
22:03 <~MikkelPaulson> does anyone really look at the platform of a "silly" party except for a good laugh?
22:03 <+svulliez> I'm not saying we should become explicitly silly
22:03 <+svulliez> But we are not the Rhino party, we are nothing like the Rhino party and we never will be
22:04 <+svulliez> and no matter what we do, we will still be part of something else
22:04 <+svulliez> not the rhino movement
22:04 <+svulliez> Any comparisons to the rhino party while brainstorming is happening is just going to get the
discussion off track
22:04 <+svulliez> it's a conservative kneejerk, really
22:05 <~MikkelPaulson> then suffice it to say that I think it's a bad idea
22:05 <+svulliez> to ever bring up the swashbuckling kind of pirates?
22:05 <+svulliez> or to ever be silly?
22:06 <~MikkelPaulson> "never" is a strong word
22:06 <~MikkelPaulson> but both are a bad idea in official communication
22:06 <~MikkelPaulson> nothing wrong with hamming it up a bit at rallies and the like
22:08 <+svulliez> I agree that in general we should be serious in official communication
22:10 <+svulliez> But yeah, enough of this tangent
22:10 <+svulliez> rhino party comparisons are unnecessary and not helpful
22:11 <+svulliez> Can I ask you guys to help finish up this Platform?
22:11 <~MikkelPaulson> sure
22:11 <+svulliez> We need to rewrite the first section, and add a lot to the third section
22:12 <+rintaran> Only the third section is being released on the 19th.
22:12 <~MikkelPaulson> I thought the entire point of the exercise was to introduce the first section
22:13 <~MikkelPaulson> the third is basically a rewrite of https://www.pirateparty.ca/about
22:14 <+svulliez> I mean rewrite the first as in clean it up
22:14 <+svulliez> and the third is like the about, except more extensive
22:14 <+svulliez> I'm not clear on the release schedule
22:14 <+svulliez> We ought to figure out a way to really all get on the same page
22:14 <+svulliez> this meetings are good,and the pirate pad is good
22:15 <+svulliez> but it would be awesome to get a central hub so we can read eachother's briefs
22:15 <~MikkelPaulson> well I've been operating under the assumption that the first section will be discussed
and voted on on the 19th, the second will be introduced come election time, and the third
can be silently posted as a simple rewrite
22:16 <~MikkelPaulson> or just expanding on section #1
22:16 <+rintaran> That's not what we agreed last meeting.
22:16 <~MikkelPaulson> I must have misunderstood
22:18 <~MikkelPaulson> rintaran: please refresh my memory, then
22:18 <+rintaran> From the logs, Part 3 is for the 19th vote. Part 1 is for the drop of writ. And the term-
specific stuff is for the mid-campaign revelation.
22:19 <+rintaran> (was digging it up to make sure I had it right)
22:19 <~MikkelPaulson> okay, thank you
22:19 <+rintaran> It seems the transcripts and minutes from last meeting never made it to the Wiki.
22:20 <+svulliez> psema4 didn't make it IIRC
22:20 <~MikkelPaulson> I emailed him a copy of the transcript
22:20 <~MikkelPaulson> should've posted a draft myself though
22:21 <+rintaran> I have it open, so I'll get a copy of last week's up after tonight's meeting.
22:21 <~MikkelPaulson> okay, thank you
22:21 <+svulliez> Would you guys object if I made a current events pad, or if we edited the priorities pad to
be a current events one?
22:22 <~MikkelPaulson> go ahead and start a new pad
22:22 <+svulliez> I think it could be really useful if all of us were posting what we were doing and our To-do
lists
22:22 <~MikkelPaulson> I'd still like to refer to the priorities
22:22 <~MikkelPaulson> oh I see what you mean
22:22 <~MikkelPaulson> no, you're welcome to do it in the priorities pad then
22:23 <~MikkelPaulson> probably best to keep it together
22:23 <~MikkelPaulson> good idea
22:26 <~MikkelPaulson> http://pr.piratepad.ca/54
22:28 <+svulliez> Sort of irrelevant, but have any of you guys heard of "the cornucopia machine"
22:28 <+svulliez> ?
22:29 <+rintaran> Nope.
22:29 <+svulliez> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_assembler
22:29 <+svulliez> It's a key transhumanist concept.
22:29 <+svulliez> It's also, if you believe it could exist someday, one of the more compelling reasons to fight
the copyfight now
22:30 <~MikkelPaulson> is there any other business to raise at the meeting?
22:30 <+svulliez> it's just brain candy to me, I don't mean to derail
22:31 <+rintaran> Only if you want me to talk about what I learned at LeadNow's open forum on Tuesday.
22:32 <+rintaran> But I think I covered that in my blog post pretty well.
22:32 <~MikkelPaulson> oh yes, please do
22:32 <+rintaran> Well on Tuesday, LeadNow ran an event in Ottawa at Umi Cafe.
22:32 <+rintaran> There were somewhere between 20-25 people in attendance.
22:33 <+rintaran> One was a candidate for the Green Party, another worked for the Green Party, and another worked
for the Liberal Party.
22:33 <+rintaran> Other than that, most were "unaligned" officially.
22:33 <+rintaran> We broke up into two groups to make it more manageable and tackles a couple of basic questions
about what is important to us.
22:34 <+rintaran> Some of the answers were to be expected (ie Environmental action, Crime & Punishment/
Rehabilitation)
22:34 <+rintaran> But some were a little less expected to be as common as they were.
22:35 <+rintaran> The establishment of a real Canadian Foreign Policy, with a focus increasing Canada's role as a
world player, was one of the big ones.
22:35 <+rintaran> A second one was "fact-based" policies and a third belonged to unmuzzling public servants.
22:36 <+rintaran> I think these are areas where our party actually shines when you look at it.
22:37 <+svulliez> I agreee
22:37 <+rintaran> If we could try to direct a part of our message this election to these types of concerns, it
could be beneficial for us.
22:38 <~MikkelPaulson> that's a good point
22:38 <+rintaran> Some of those attending don't vote (or spoil ballots) because none of the parties talks to these
issues.
22:38 <+rintaran> It would be nice to gather them up.
22:38 <~MikkelPaulson> well, introducing whistleblower legislation into our platform would be a great move in that
direction
22:39 <~MikkelPaulson> what are your thoughts regarding our applicability to foreign policy, then?
22:40 <+Zblewski> Maybe so.
22:40 <+Nuitari> I don't think foreign policy is going to be a major point of this election
22:41 <+Zblewski> It won't
22:41 <+Nuitari> we could go with something vague like "restoring Canada's prestige"
22:41 <+rintaran> Well, reduction in Patent laws can do a lot to increase our export levels, but focusing on
establishing additional connections in foreign countries, ie through cooperation with PPI, through
establishing additional hard-line underwater internet lines to Europe & Asia outside of the US,
that could be a benefit.
22:41 <~MikkelPaulson> personally, I prefer no platform to a vague one
22:41 <~MikkelPaulson> sorry, no platform point
22:41 <+rintaran> Foreign Policy hasn't been a major point of a Canadian election other than the Afganistan issue, and
even then it was a minor issue that election.
22:43 <~MikkelPaulson> we can certainly play up the others, anyway
22:44 <~MikkelPaulson> I'm not sure that I agree with your conclusions about patents
22:45 <+rintaran> The gov't just did it for medical aid. It doesn't just have to be for aid.
22:45 <~MikkelPaulson> yeah, I was gratified to see that
22:45 <~MikkelPaulson> well strictly speaking the opposition parties pushed it through
22:45 <~MikkelPaulson> the Tories fought hard against it
22:45 <~MikkelPaulson> anything for a quick buck
22:45 <+rintaran> True, but you understand the point.
22:46 <~MikkelPaulson> I do
22:46 <~MikkelPaulson> okay, well that's definitely something to bear in mind for the platform
22:47 <+rintaran> They waived patents to be able to send generic drugs for aid. By reducing the term of patents,
that could create a larger and more diverse manufacturing base, and possibly lead to an increase
in exports. More exports = more business partnerships with foreign countries.
22:47 <~MikkelPaulson> however, other developed nations may choose to respond by banning import of goods patented
in their own countries
22:48 <+rintaran> Possibly. Lots of ifs here.
22:48 <~MikkelPaulson> indeed
22:48 <+svulliez> Canada has quite of bit of natural resources, I think we have more pull than you might think
22:48 <~MikkelPaulson> well those aren't subject to patent (yet)
22:49 <~MikkelPaulson> so it shouldn't have a significant effect there
22:49 <+svulliez> I mean sanctions against us won't kill our people
22:49 <+rintaran> Anyhow, post the main event on Tuesday. The Green, Liberal and I had to "sell" our parties to
one of the unaligned. That person then critiqued our pitches.
22:49 <+Nuitari> what was the critique about?
22:49 <~MikkelPaulson> I don't think talking about isolationist economic policy is politically wise
22:49 <+rintaran> Basically, he said that the technical bit was a little over his head (which is why I'm not a
candidate), but he loved that a good chunk of the PPCA's purpose is to listen directly to the
constituents.
22:50 <+rintaran> So we're going with the right approach on that front.
22:50 <~MikkelPaulson> in my own campaign I'm planning to play up the "I'm the only candidate who can actually
respond to what you tell me" point
22:51 <+rintaran> . /end report
22:51 <~MikkelPaulson> good stuff
22:51 <~MikkelPaulson> thanks
22:51 <~MikkelPaulson> shall we call it a night, then?
22:51 <+rintaran> If you want to read deeper, I covered it on my site: http://www.shawngray.ca
22:52 <+Zblewski> I have nothing to add.
22:52 <+Nuitari> rintaran: everyone has to learn how to be a candidate
22:52 <+Zblewski> Rintaran
22:52 <+Zblewski> that reminds me
22:52 <+Nuitari> critique is good as we can all learn from it
22:52 <+Zblewski> I've unearthed that campaign book
22:53 <+Zblewski> I've got it at the door for Saturday
22:53 <+rintaran> Nuitari: Very true. I get better at it every time I get the chance to talk shop.
22:53 <+rintaran> Zblewski: Excellent.
22:54 <+rintaran> Mikkel: Sounds like we're more-or-less done to me.
22:54 <~MikkelPaulson> okay then
22:54 <+rintaran> svulliez: I don't want to leave you out in this list of names, so here you are. :P
22:54 <~MikkelPaulson> meeting adjourned
